Do you think that the free game could use more updates? Do you think that f2p should be happy with what they have?

Do you think that members aren't getting enough, or that they are getting too much in comparison to free updates?

I want to hear your opinions.

This will turn into a flame war.

Anyway, my opinion on it is they should get 1-2 updates a year. A YEAR, just to be clear to any clueless people reading that will flame me for even suggesting that F2P get anything.

The thing is, F2P "pays" Jagex by basically advertising their game(they also pay via adverts, which I will also get flamed for saying), if a F2P player doesn't like the experience, what makes you think they'd become a member, or recommend the game to their friends? I definitely didn't become a member because I disliked F2P, I became a member because I liked F2P and wanted to support Jagex.

1-2 updates every 365 days is not a lot. Especially since Members can keep their current 1 update a week all year for every year RuneScape is up and running.

This is coming from a person that was a member for 3 years of 5 years of playing.

Depends on what kinds of updates.

I certainly wouldn't mind F2P getting more updates, after all, Jagex already said they'd get more updates...

I'm rather hoping it won't. It may, it may not but I think we're all mature enough to keep it civil on anything but the matter of American politics.



I would say a little more than that personally, I would like to see one update every 3 months or so, depending on how much members have been getting in that timescale. That's still 4 updates a year and the holiday events, which shouldn't put people off of getting membership but keep things interesting for loyal players.



I agree that people won't get membership if they actively dislike the F2P experience. In fact, they'll probably quit. However, I wouldn't say that people get members because they want to support Jagex. At the end of the day, RS is a product and Jagex are a company and I don't think we should feel sympathetic for them (we aren't talking a game run from an attic anymore).



And this is another thing I agree with you on. At the end of the day, members can use all the free content, and there's enough members only activities even without updates to keep you occupied for a long time.

Both versions of the game should be fun for everyone, no matter what their skill levels are, and currently, freeplay is over crowded. They need more yews and more NPCs to train combat on, preferably something over level 100 to appeal to high leveled players.


I think freeplay is generally happy with what the content they've got, but they hate the overcrowding.


From what I've seen, members get content that's fun for an hour (a new quest), and freeplay gets content that's fun for years (mini-games). I'd say the content updates in both version of the game are equal.


Hopefully one of those arrogant guys who thinks "I pay $5.95 a month for membership so I'm better than everyone else!" won't show up.

Well, I'll admit that wasn't exactly the best choice of words. I wasn't meaning to be sympathetic, but mainly receive support and more updates.

That's what I get for writing that after waking up. ^^ I repeated myself a couple times I believe.

Personally i think 2p needs more updates we havnt had an update thatis fun in months. Possibly a new qeust or somthing like that

I absolutely think they should :) Everyone benefits - the players because they have more content, and the Jagex because it means more people will want to play!

I make you right on that actually. The game is actively getting harder for f2p players with the swarms of people and no new servers. I'd much rather have things back how they were than actual new stuff.

It's something I noticed after coming back to yews after a year away. The trees pretty much vanished before you could get more than a few logs.

However, do you think Jagex would be happy with giving us more monsters and faster training? Is that not one of the major selling points of members for the more hardcore players?



As above :)



Then is that too much to the f2pers? I mean, members are paying after all, and to say the updates are equal means that they might be getting short changed.

Then again, members do have access to everything f2p have, and I consider a quest a good update for a week.

Considering f2p hasn't had a new quest in years, I think they should have atleast one new one.
Other than that, I don't see a need for new minigames really. Although, there should be more exciting content in f2p to get them pumped for getting members.

Just my 2 cents.

Eh. I think so.

Jagex's new approach to Rs will probably lead to more f2p updates next year, including the new amazing skill. I don't really mind it, I'm happy enough paying members just for the members servers.

i think they should have 1-2 updates a year, also. i think they deserve castlewars, as its sorta dead on member's worlds, and all good games should have free capture the flag :P. but besides that, i think they deserve very little.

Well Mod Mmg recently stated that Sometime this year or early next (2010) F2p and P2p will be getting a new skill, so we'll have to see what skill that is.

Ask the majority of players on the RSOF and they'd say no.

I think F2P updates should be given as a way to help P2P. With the recent potion nerf, somebody came up with an idea to add herbs as F2P drops. This would give them more money and allow Jagex to expland the market of herblore. Maybe give F2P access to regular attack, strength and defence pots too through the varrock apothecary.

The next skill is going to be F2P, so I really don't know how much more Jagex could give them. If I were F2P, I'd rather have one big update than a few small ones.

I generally support F2P updates as long as they're also useful to low level members.

I would like to get an update at least once every 2-3 months... not including Holiday Updates, or "Mechanics" updates.

What I long for is a little something for the more higher level Free Players... as such, I am designing a high level PvE Only armor for Free Players that is remarkably inferior to Member Armors, considering the stat requirements I am placing on it.

Got disappointed with the "high level" woodcut update, and the cancellation of bringing Skill Capes to Free Players. While the reasoning stated for the two are good, I still feel quite down from it.

Castle wars is something of a members favourite though, and I could see it getting very very crowded on f2p worlds.

I think that we've seen a lot of f2p minigame updates recently (I remember when minigames told us in big letters that they were for members only), and to take another prized members activity and make it free might be too much.


I'd much rather see essence back as a f2p item than us being able to get you guys herbs. I realise that herblore is ridiculously expensive (seriously, that skill is only trained for quests and giggles I swear) but RC was one of the most profitable money making schemes for f2pers and with the removal of RWT there's no need to keep essence p2p. Maybe if they could make herb drops a good money maker then it would be a good idea, as I do agree that herb need some TLC but I don't see it coming.

See, I'd rather have a few small ones than a big lump of an update, because as it is in f2p a small update gives me something to get excited about way beyond reason so the more often I have that the better. A lot of small updates would mix things up enough for my liking - after all a lot of f2pers are relatively serious so updates would only be something to break the monotony.



Ahh, but the high level f2pers are the most unprofitable for Jagex. We're not getting our friends into RS (who will admit they play it, let alone advertise it) and neither are we paying them. Truly, we are the people that just about break even, so why bother giving us dev time that could go into more profitable sectors of the community?

I think f2p could get many updates each year, as long as it benefits members just as much. But f2p shouldn't get something that already exists in p2p.

What if members get something new implemented to replace the feature that's made f2p? That way members get loads of brand new content, and f2p get new stuff without taking dev time.

Well, what I meant was that f2p shouldn't get too many new updates that improves their character, just things that improve the gameplay, such as graphic updates ...

I think they should get updates as in graphical, sound, animations, ect ect.

As in new game play, I think they should not add anymore and people who want more to do in runescape will just have to pay and play.

Members get way more updates than f2p people. I think that for every two members updates, there should be one free to play, and not just a game enhancement (eg: a new interface), but a real part of the game. I'm a member, but I would love some more f2p updates.

I think that F2P need to have more updates. Because ... (i dont know how to explain it well but i hope you understand me)... Everyone that plays runescape, plays in F2P world, so the updates that are in F2P sites should be for everyone and its very general...

Also i think that they need more updates than P2P because most of the players aren't members, and after a long time without updates the game will turn boring and they will quit. And this people that plays in F2P are the ones that will become members sometime, and its Jagex income so...

Being f2p, I think they should get updates in proportion to how much they pay with the adverts, whether that be 1-10, 1-100, or 1-1000.

Think of it like this:
The f2p do give SOME money, so they should get SOME updates.
The p2p give LOTS of money, so they should get LOTS of updates.

note: the terms some and lots are used proportional to one another, not to current update standards.

Get what I'm saying? e.g. If for every $1 f2p pays, p2p pays $374, this should be the ratio of updates.

F2P don't necessarily "deserve" updates but it's reasonable for them to want and ask for them and it's reasonable for P2P to give it to them. F2P is a growing, changing, developing community that will always exist (never will all F2Pers eventually switch to P2P) and as updates and changes to the game occur, F2P needs to be able to handle these.

For example - if F2P had a load of neccessary items for normal gameplay but not nearly enough bankspace, isn't it reasonable to give a few spaces to F2P so that the community is somewhat helped in it's daily playing?

I think F2P should at least get a big update or two a year beyond holidays and stuff like graphics/interface changes. Theres also a couple things I think could be made free like canoes and maybe even pest control, I honestly don't understand why canoes were members only in the first place. I think they could also use a bit more bank space, but they will probably get that whenever the new skill comes out.

When I visit F2P worlds it always reminds me of how much competition there is over their extremely limited resources.

Really, it is dead? That is like the best minigame ever.

I think that f2pers should get some new updates every year, though how much I am unsure of. The main reason why I have stopped playing Runescape was because of the competition for resources and because of the lack of stuff to do, and I knew I wasn't commited enough to buy members.

Bieng a member im not really too much aflicted with the free to play worlds, I personaly would like to ahve some words merge and so you can have f2p and p2p in the smae world but only able to acces some items if your a member, obviously this wouldnt work in pking because this would give p2p an upper advantage but on the other had being able to hang out with your friends on a able to all world would allow me to hang out with friends all the time who do not pay to play.

I'd like to have seen a few more updates for f2p ingame, if i recall the last one was fist of guthix and that was in 2007?

I cant really remember too much because i was a newb atm and now on mah way to my seccond skillcape. which brings me to the point that f2p should be allowed to wear skillcapes.

Catus

One to two is a massive ratio. I wouldn't get members if that ratio was followed - an update every 3 weeks is better than most online games, free or not.



What about the work that doesn't have monetary value? What about all the advertising that f2pers do, getting more members for the game? It's a valuable, even priceless part of the strategy.

That's a very small ratio.

Yeah, I kinda realised that after I said it lol.

I was thinking more along the lines of cost of updates, not the number of updates.

Unfortunately, It has slowed down considerably since Soul Wars came out. People want easy, fun exp, and Soul Wars delivers both. They'd have to move castle wars to add a portal to castle wars if they wanted it to become F2P.


I am not a F2P player (and I haven't been for more than a few months for a long time), so it doesn't really matter to me how many updates F2P gets, but I think they deserve better treatment from Jagex, they are more loyal fans than most members are, and in all honesty, they will eventually become members, so why not target them as F2Pers? The reason I became a member was to be able to do more quests and more skills, so if Jagex wanted more members, they should have more skills and more quests for F2Pers to enjoy, so they become more interested in becoming members.