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Lord John
I was shown this video by a friend who plays Runescape. I found it rather funny because I noticed that there were tones of these videos. It made me think; Jagex really have been getting some bad press lately. In the past few months, every update released has had massive bugs which makes you really wonder how effective their testers really are.

Enjoy!


I have no idea why the Youtube tags never work for me...
(Fixed. -Ed5)
Hayaemsay
This isn't a bug, it's an oversight, and a bad one.

Unlike all other weapons there is a delay between when the cannon is fired and when combat is initiated.
Aslancsc
That makes me sooo mad watching those guys. That is why I hate runescape and it's PVP system, because there are a bunch of jerks who will desrtoy your account, loosing your void/bandos/ags just so they can laugh, that guy only got 1 drop the whole time.
Lord John
But is it his fault? Or is it's Jagex's fault for giving them a chance to bug abuse by putting out faulty equipment?
I
QUOTE (Lord John @ Sep 13 2009, 10:08 AM) *
But is it his fault? Or is it's Jagex's fault for giving them a chance to bug abuse by putting out faulty equipment?

Well it's no one's fault really, Jagex can't help the fact that they suck.
Explosion
Lord the Youtube tags dont work cuz you only have to put the code in it after watch and then the code

but love these guys :D
Dantheman
Thank god ive quit Pvp on Runescape lol. Its Shit now.
EliteZeon
Never did like PvP in RS. WAY too unbalanced... along with all the little ass hats that go with it.
Lord John
This glitch was fixed so I'm not sure what you mean by balancing. The Dwarf Cannon isn't meant to operate as it does in that video. I do agree though that being able to one - two hit people with a lot of the weapons is utterly stupid. I remember the days when hitting 30 was like "hax, that was awesome" whereas now it's like "I can hit 72 with one swing of my Godsword".
DjIceman
Why is RuneScape full of such ass faces?
Robinhoodrs
Hahaha, probaly had the most fun yesterday with this as I've ever done on RS!

Dropped around 800m worth of guys that rush with Dlcaws and can't even PK, don't care if I get banned.

This glitch was a WIN!
Jonweasel


^ Pwned
MadMech13
QUOTE (I @ Sep 13 2009, 07:13 AM) *
QUOTE (Lord John @ Sep 13 2009, 10:08 AM) *
But is it his fault? Or is it's Jagex's fault for giving them a chance to bug abuse by putting out faulty equipment?

Well it's no one's fault really, Jagex can't help the fact that they suck.

You make me laugh, you do know there will always be bugs in a game, right? It's so hard to get everything working properly, and that goes for every company and every game. So much that they have to look at and make sure it doesn't malfunction with it.
Lord John
Seems Mod Ash got owned by having to get up at 3 am :P

MadMech, your right. There will always be bugs in game and it's an enormous task to remove them all. It seems though that the bugs been found lately are rather major ones which shouldn't have passed under Jagex's Radar. Look at Mobilising Armies. When it was released you couldn't even play the game and some game types didn't work. Now to me, the key thing to make sure you do when releasing a minigame is to make it playable.

It is great though that Jagex fixed it only 11 hours after it's release instead of letting it go on until morning.
Unique
QUOTE (I @ Sep 13 2009, 09:13 AM) *
QUOTE (Lord John @ Sep 13 2009, 10:08 AM) *
But is it his fault? Or is it's Jagex's fault for giving them a chance to bug abuse by putting out faulty equipment?

Well it's no one's fault really, Jagex can't help the fact that they suck.

Then why should the abuser get permanently banned?
Pliigi
QUOTE (Unique @ Sep 13 2009, 11:44 AM) *
QUOTE (I @ Sep 13 2009, 09:13 AM) *
QUOTE (Lord John @ Sep 13 2009, 10:08 AM) *
But is it his fault? Or is it's Jagex's fault for giving them a chance to bug abuse by putting out faulty equipment?

Well it's no one's fault really, Jagex can't help the fact that they suck.

Then why should the abuser get permanently banned?

Because they know it's a glitch and still abuse it. People aren't banned for small graphical glitches, they're banned for things such as this or this.
Alex
This is why I don't like the PvP community. They all talk about skill and honour but it seems like every PKer is just out there to get a fast buck at the expense of everyone else. If you find something like this, have some empathy for the victims.
DjIceman
QUOTE (Xela @ Sep 13 2009, 06:55 PM) *
This is why I don't like the PvP community. They all talk about skill and honour but it seems like every PKer is just out there to get a fast buck at the expense of everyone else. If you find something like this, have some empathy for the victims.


Exactly!


I truly, honestly hope that EVERY single one of those jerks who abused this bug gets banned and all their other accounts as well. The community doesn't need filth like that.

Thank you
Iceman
Stan
I cant help the fact that the guy *I* sucks, and that the MSW community sucks 2. GL trying to make your own game with C++ and java.
I
QUOTE (MadMech13 @ Sep 13 2009, 12:21 PM) *
It's so hard to get everything working properly

I understand, but it's out of laziness that they release content knowing that there's bound to be glitches.

QUOTE (Unique @ Sep 13 2009, 02:44 PM) *
Then why should the abuser get permanently banned?

I didn't say he should. His crime is taking advantage of a glitch that was only there because of Jagex. Jagex could have prevented it if they had done enough QA.

QUOTE (Stan @ Sep 13 2009, 03:10 PM) *
I cant help the fact that the guy *I* sucks, and that the MSW community sucks 2.

Wow, some one told me I suck over the internet. I guess it's an hero time.

QUOTE (Stan @ Sep 13 2009, 03:10 PM) *
GL trying to make your own game with C++ and java.

Because I can't do the job of an entire company, I have to shut up about their failures and mediocrity? Bullshit.
Stan
Did I say Shut up? No. Fail.
I
QUOTE (Stan @ Sep 13 2009, 03:43 PM) *
Did I say Shut up? No. Fail.

Did I say you said shut up? No. Fail.

I was doing something called "reading between the lines." You wouldn't have said what you did if you didn't like what I said. I've heard the "you can't do what they can, so you have no right to criticize them" angle plenty of times before. Whether or not you understand it, that's what you're saying.
DjIceman
So let me get this straight, just because you CAN steal a woman's purse (and you'll get arrested for it, no doubt), you should do it? The woman should know better not to leave her purse on the table while she's looking at the waiter, right?

What are you guys, idiots? There's absolutely NO way in hell that Jagex will catch EVERY single bug in the game. Just understand that. They're not doing a lazy job. The game is getting bigger and bigger, they can't test EVERYTHING. That would be impossible. Would you rather wait a year 'til the QA has processed it and ruled out every possible bug?

Fact is, players shouldn't take advantage of bugs. Especially these types of bugs.

Thank you
Iceman
Releasesomeinfo
Lol at people defending a for profit company and multiple QA testers who are paid decent moneh to do their job. You know they're paid to try to break the game/find the bugs, if some kids can see that there's an opportunity for abuse then why did'nt these guys? This isn't the first time. The only other company that I've seen mess up with serious glitches online was Nexon with Mabinogi and everyone knows the Nexon of America branch is full of incompetents. Anyone know any other P2P that's messed up this bad? (Mabinogi's Cash shop by the way).

Oh yeah lol at the "Trust us, we're QA" Developer's blog.
MadMech13
QUOTE (Releasesomeinfo @ Sep 13 2009, 01:50 PM) *
Lol at people defending a for profit company and multiple QA testers who are paid decent moneh to do their job. You know they're paid to try to break the game/find the bugs, if some kids can see that there's an opportunity for abuse then why did'nt these guys? This isn't the first time. The only other company that I've seen mess up with serious glitches online was Nexon with Mabinogi and everyone knows the Nexon of America branch is full of incompetents. Anyone know any other P2P that's messed up this bad? (Mabinogi's Cash shop by the way).

Oh yeah lol at the "Trust us, we're QA" Developer's blog.

Bugs are always going to get through, you try finding all the bugs possible with one item that can be used with with tons of different items, it will be tons of bugs, and you won't be able to find all of them. They're human, not a robot that can do everything in a matter of minutes, and stuff is bound to get pass them. A lot of other games have glitches, just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean that they're not there.

Trunkzta
the RS pvp system is wack. end of story.
DjIceman
Not just the PvP system itself...
I
QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 13 2009, 04:18 PM) *
So let me get this straight, just because you CAN steal a woman's purse (and you'll get arrested for it, no doubt), you should do it? The woman should know better not to leave her purse on the table while she's looking at the waiter, right?

I would be the thief's fault he going to jail, but it would be the the woman's fault her purse got stolen. The thief is committing the crime, but the woman is being careless.

QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 13 2009, 04:18 PM) *
What are you guys, idiots?

I know I am.

QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 13 2009, 04:18 PM) *
There's absolutely NO way in hell that Jagex will catch EVERY single bug in the game.

It is possible, they'd just have to spend more time.

QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 13 2009, 04:18 PM) *
The game is getting bigger and bigger, they can't test EVERYTHING. That would be impossible.

Like I said, it's not impossible, and they could hire more QA. Also, and I never said anything about minor glitches.

QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 13 2009, 04:18 PM) *
Would you rather wait a year 'til the QA has processed it and ruled out every possible bug?

The people who got sigils when monsters couldn't attack would say no, and guy who lost 550 million to a MA glitch would say yes. I think it would be worth it.

QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 13 2009, 04:18 PM) *
Fact is, players shouldn't take advantage of bugs. Especially these types of bugs.

Granted, but Jagex shouldn't let major bugs through, especially these types of bugs.

QUOTE (Releasesomeinfo @ Sep 13 2009, 04:50 PM) *
Lol at people defending a for profit company and multiple QA testers who are paid decent moneh to do their job. You know they're paid to try to break the game/find the bugs, if some kids can see that there's an opportunity for abuse then why did'nt these guys?

Exactly. "But it's too hard" isn't an excuse.

QUOTE (Releasesomeinfo @ Sep 13 2009, 04:50 PM) *
Oh yeah lol at the "Trust us, we're QA" Developer's blog.

Yeah, when I saw that I was dumbstruck.
Trunkzta
QUOTE (Stan @ Sep 13 2009, 08:43 PM) *
Did I say Shut up? No. Fail.



ITS STAN THE CAR MAN!
DjIceman
QUOTE (I @ Sep 13 2009, 09:25 PM) *
QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 13 2009, 04:18 PM) *
What are you guys, idiots?

I know I am.


Very well.

How do they say it again... Ah yes, "gf".

Since you pointed out that you're indeed an idiot, I don't think I need to continue. :)


Thank you
Iceman
I
QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 13 2009, 05:31 PM) *
Since you pointed out that you're indeed an idiot, I don't think I need to continue. :)

If you've lost the will/ability to continue arguing, then I've won. If you can't win an argument against an idiot, what does that say about you?
Man
That video was certainly entertaining. It's a shame that people are willing to get their lvl130+ accounts get banned without any second thoughts.
Fireworks
QUOTE (Lord John @ Sep 13 2009, 10:56 AM) *
This glitch was fixed so I'm not sure what you mean by balancing. The Dwarf Cannon isn't meant to operate as it does in that video. I do agree though that being able to one - two hit people with a lot of the weapons is utterly stupid. I remember the days when hitting 30 was like "hax, that was awesome" whereas now it's like "I can hit 72 with one swing of my Godsword".


That's why I pk in f2p. Its just more relaxing. You don't have to worry about dying because you lagged for a tenth of a second. When I want something fast paced I fight in a clan war.

Runescape isn't built for fast pased combat. There are other games for that.
Lord John
What's with all the flaming? Argueing over Runescape sure isn't a sign of maturity. You don't have to attack everyone's oppinion because you think they are wrong.

Anyway, I did find the video funny but can see that a lot of people would be rather upset about it.
I'd have to say RS is getting more fast paced when every weapon hits over 50 allowing you to be two hit with ease.
Max
While I believe in not abusing a bug you have to realize an inherent risk when playing any game. No doubt people make mistake and a big is pretty much always going to fall through into the live game. You have a small QA team trying to find bugs versus millions of player whom could find a bug by accident or some could even do it through looking for them. Just think of an MMO as a game that is still in development because it is.

And as for glitches, some exist since the beginning of the game. I wish people would stop winning about ones that Jagex fixed within 24 hours.
Spire
This is why I don't pvp ermm.gif

The maker of this video is an idiot. He doesn't care about others, aslong as there's personal gain.
Hopefully Leather Sock gets banned, i'm tempted to put in a bug abuse form. This kind of shit just makes me mad.
Man
QUOTE (Eski @ Sep 13 2009, 10:22 PM) *
This is why I don't pvp ermm.gif

The maker of this video is an idiot. He doesn't care about others, aslong as there's personal gain.
Hopefully Leather Sock gets banned, i'm tempted to put in a bug abuse form. This kind of shit just makes me mad.

That won't be necessary considering Jagex has ways of finding out who's been glitch abusing and he even admits near the end of the video that he will get banned. And if not those several thousand people just watched him break the rules, someone, somewhere must have brought it up to Jagex's attention.
Crash Jordan
Cool glitch, lucky it was only around for a short time.

And for the record, Jagex aren't lazy at all when it comes to QA. If anything, they've picked up their game, all the recent updates have been bug filled, they are trying to change this.
Lord John
The abuser had countless friends with him who likely won't be banned. Remember, if you don't want to get banned, Bug abuse in a large group. Remember the PvP glitch? Almost no one was banned except the main offenders.

I remember reading the chaos on RSC as tones of high levels said "Gf RS" thinking they'd get banned. They bought out all the rares they could so the game would be utterly screwed if they were banned. Seems their trick worked.
DjIceman
QUOTE (I @ Sep 13 2009, 09:38 PM) *
QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 13 2009, 05:31 PM) *
Since you pointed out that you're indeed an idiot, I don't think I need to continue. :)

If you've lost the will/ability to continue arguing, then I've won. If you can't win an argument against an idiot, what does that say about you?

No, it's the fact that I WILL win. So, any further discussion is pointless because you're an idiot anyway. You don't know what you're talking about, you don't know what your point is. Heck! You don't even know why you're saying that.

So, "geee efff".


QUOTE (Eski @ Sep 14 2009, 02:22 AM) *
This is why I don't pvp ermm.gif

The maker of this video is an idiot. He doesn't care about others, aslong as there's personal gain.
Hopefully Leather Sock gets banned, i'm tempted to put in a bug abuse form. This kind of shit just makes me mad.

Same. down.gif


Thank you
Iceman
Lord John
Thanks for starting a flame war in this topic where everyone else is able to discuss without resorting to attacking people and using pathetic insults.

I, thanks for deciding not to retaliate any further. It really makes things unpleasant when everyone else is trying to post thoughtfully.

Anyway, I do hope that MS don't have many bugs in it when it comes out. They have had AGES to test it ;)
Stan
The car man ftw :P

Anyway, stuff like, "LOL AT PEOPLE DEFENDING JAGEX" etc. Wtf! They already said: with a game engine this big for RuneScape, they cant test EVERYTHING. Sometimes, a glitch comes trough the system. And then fixed in max 24 hours.

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And I hope that also, Lord John. They got enough time etc, so I wont be expecting ALOT of bugs. I do expect that a few bugs will slip trough. But I dont mind :)
DjIceman
QUOTE (Lord John @ Sep 14 2009, 09:48 AM) *
Thanks for starting a flame war in this topic where everyone else is able to discuss without resorting to attacking people and using pathetic insults.

I, thanks for deciding not to retaliate any further. It really makes things unpleasant when everyone else is trying to post thoughtfully.

Anyway, I do hope that MS don't have many bugs in it when it comes out. They have had AGES to test it ;)


Starting? You mean ending?

Why do you think they would release a beta? It's rather obvious, really.


Thank you
Iceman
Lord John
Well they aren't going to have a Beta for every subsequent update. Sure there are usually smal graphical glitches and such but hopefully there will be none that cause massive destruction like this one or 6/6/06.
DjIceman
What happened on 6/6/06?
I
QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 14 2009, 04:14 AM) *
No, it's the fact that I WILL win. So, any further discussion is pointless because you're an idiot anyway. You don't know what you're talking about, you don't know what your point is. Heck! You don't even know why you're saying that.

NO YOUR MO-

QUOTE (Lord John @ Sep 14 2009, 05:48 AM) *
I, thanks for deciding not to retaliate any further. It really makes things unpleasant when everyone else is trying to post thoughtfully.

ermm.gif

QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 14 2009, 09:21 AM) *
What happened on 6/6/06?

>_<

Anyway DjIceman, if you want to continue debating without the flames, my point is that Jagex is at fault for allowing bugs to get through when prevention is possible.
DjIceman
And my point is, that getting every SINGLE possible bug out of the game is wasting resources, time and money.

Players shouldn't be such ass faces and always abuse bugs when they can.

I don't see no flames. If anything, I see a big block of ice. =)


Thank you
Iceman
I
QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 14 2009, 10:23 AM) *
And my point is, that getting every SINGLE possible bug out of the game is wasting resources, time and money.

Players shouldn't be such ass faces and always abuse bugs when they can.

Alright, now I think we're getting some where. I think it wastes more time and money redoing an update. They have to recode it, re-QA it, have a mod discuss it on the forums, ect. You also got to figure that with every major bug, the people who were affected quit, which means less income.

If they did it right the first time, there would be no potential for players to be such "ass faces."
DjIceman
QUOTE (I @ Sep 14 2009, 03:44 PM) *
QUOTE (DjIceman @ Sep 14 2009, 10:23 AM) *
And my point is, that getting every SINGLE possible bug out of the game is wasting resources, time and money.

Players shouldn't be such ass faces and always abuse bugs when they can.

Alright, now I think we're getting some where. I think it wastes more time and money redoing an update. They have to recode it, re-QA it, have a mod discuss it on the forums, ect. You also got to figure that with every major bug, the people who were affected quit, which means less income.

If they did it right the first time, there would be no potential for players to be such "ass faces."


Actually no, a bug such as that may only take 10 minutes to fix. In such cases, not much QA goes into it. Perhaps the bug-fixer himself trying to see if it works.

There are always potential ass faces looking to abuse a bug. It's not their fault that such human filth was born to this world.


Thank you
Iceman
Trunkzta
If they tested the updates for bugs more frequently before release then release dates would take longer.

I personally don't mind a bug or two, i usually don't play updates as soon as it comes out just in case. But still, then people whine about there not being an update. RS players are hypocritical. They complain and say WHERES THE UPDATE if they continue to de-bug it, and if it comes with bugs they say OMFG I LOST 509876 BILL!!! (when they lost probably nothing).

While they shouldnt release updates with bugs, your acting like they KNOW that a bug exists. They will not relase it saying ok if someone does this they can attack anywhere. But i doubt anyone will figure that out!!

And Iceman, your conceited forum posting is starting to annoy us all. Simmer Down.


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