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Ren
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Games Designer

An exciting opportunity has arisen for a candidate with ambition and initiative to join our fast-paced, hugely successful online games company to help us achieve our ambitious goals for 2008 and beyond.

The successful candidate will be joining a new design team, creating concept and design documents for an as of yet unannounced title.

We are looking for passionate games designers with a methodical approach and strong creative skills who will relish the thrilling challenges presented by this exciting role.

Key duties include:

* Create new game concepts and design documentation (quests, minigames, skills, monsters, etc);
* Use our internal scripting language to write high quality script running new game content;
* Work together with graphics artists, testers and other professionals to produce the best possible content;
* Communicate complex creative ideas in a clear and concise manner;
* Participate in large-scale design decisions to establish the future of the game.

Requirements:

* Deep understanding of game design fundamentals with a passion for MMOs;
* Good programming or game scripting skills (basic C++, Java or game scripting);
* Excellent creative writing skills and imaginative storyline ideas;
* Clear understanding of game design terminology and realistic game design ideas, based on existing limitations;
* Strong communication skills.

Also useful:

* Game industry experience, preferably in a creative, game design or scripting role;
* A computer science degree is a plus, but isn't essential if good programming and/or scripting skills can be demonstrated;
* Experience of designing games for a young audience.

Details:

Salary
£22k-£28K (depending on experience), plus excellent benefits including annual bonus, private healthcare, gym membership and other excellent benefits.

Location
Candidates must be able to work in Cambridge or relocate if offered the position.

To apply:
Send your CV (as Word document) with covering letter to: careers[at]recruit.jagex.com


I expect this is the same undisclosed project as the ho2010 one (which I call ThirdScape) which Iddison discussed a while back.
Arain321
Most definitely not MS so probably 'ThirdScape'.
Refleax
Nice ... Nice
Max
QUOTE (Arain321 @ Dec 21 2008, 09:38 AM) *
Most definitely not MS so probably 'ThirdScape'.


Why couldn't it be MechScape too?
Ren
QUOTE (Max @ Dec 21 2008, 04:28 PM) *
Why couldn't it be MechScape too?

1. MechScape's design team has been working for years, and could therefore not be called a "new design team" and the time would be past for "large-scale design decisions".
2. The language they use about working on a project from concept to completion is the same used for the "ho2010" role. ho2010 very likely means "Head of 2010", which matches Iddison's statement that they'd have a third MMO for 2010 and the words of Jagex employee that they took part in a brainstorming session for the 2010 MMO.
3. No mention of sci-fi or anime interest, as is usually the case when they are talking about MechScape.
4. It states "Experience of designing games for a young audience" when they have many times said that MechScape is targetted at an older audience.

Sidenote: The vacancy is similar to this one but not the same.
Darth Irule
so there is going to be 2 new mmos from jagex?
Ren
QUOTE (darth irule @ Dec 21 2008, 04:59 PM) *
so there is going to be 2 new mmos from jagex?

Yes. One is MechScape, their sci-fi MMO aimed at an older audience and due in Spring 2009. The other is an unnamed project for 2010 which I call ThirdScape, although internally it is referred to as the "2010 MMO" or somesuch.
Darth Irule
QUOTE (Ren @ Dec 21 2008, 12:02 PM) *
QUOTE (darth irule @ Dec 21 2008, 04:59 PM) *
so there is going to be 2 new mmos from jagex?

Yes. One is MechScape, their sci-fi MMO aimed at an older audience and due in Spring 2009. The other is an unnamed project for 2010 which I call ThirdScape, although internally it is referred to as the "2010 MMO" or somesuch.

sooner or later jagex will rule the mmo world.
Perfect
jagex are moving very rapidly at the moment because of many reasons there online game is not affected by credit crunch and will always run at the same pace. younger people are getting involved with jagex from being part of runescape for so long and wanting to learn scripting and games programming & well they have better ideas.
mike470
I always thought Jagex was strictly Java, so seeing that C++ there is a small surprise to me.

Does anyone know if 22-28k is good pay for a programmer like this? I'm not sure, but it seems slightly low (although they do have some nice benefits).

We also seemed to have found out that ThirdScape will be for a younger audience.
Darth Irule
I think it is very low. But I dont know how the American dollor compars with theirs.
Ren
QUOTE (Heat Miser @ Dec 21 2008, 11:13 PM) *
I always thought Jagex was strictly Java, so seeing that C++ there is a small surprise to me.

The RuneScape engine is in Java, but the content is coded in a proprietary interpreted domain-specific scripting language called RuneScript. They will teach people who get the job how to code in RuneScript, but they want people with some experience and aptitude in programming to make it easier.
Max
QUOTE (Rendolph @ Dec 21 2008, 06:07 PM) *
QUOTE (Heat Miser @ Dec 21 2008, 11:13 PM) *
I always thought Jagex was strictly Java, so seeing that C++ there is a small surprise to me.

The RuneScape engine is in Java, but the content is coded in a proprietary interpreted domain-specific scripting language called RuneScript. They will teach people who get the job how to code in RuneScript, but they want people with some experience and aptitude in programming to make it easier.

(Adding on to what Ren said) When you know C++ or some programming language it is a lot easier to understand other programming languages that are based off of each other. So if you know C++ or Java it is easier to learn the other. They also know that the person can and is able to work with code and that flow of logic.
GoldDrag
QUOTE (Prancer @ Dec 22 2008, 03:14 AM) *
QUOTE (Rendolph @ Dec 21 2008, 06:07 PM) *
QUOTE (Heat Miser @ Dec 21 2008, 11:13 PM) *
I always thought Jagex was strictly Java, so seeing that C++ there is a small surprise to me.

The RuneScape engine is in Java, but the content is coded in a proprietary interpreted domain-specific scripting language called RuneScript. They will teach people who get the job how to code in RuneScript, but they want people with some experience and aptitude in programming to make it easier.

(Adding on to what Ren said) When you know C++ or some programming language it is a lot easier to understand other programming languages that are based off of each other. So if you know C++ or Java it is easier to learn the other. They also know that the person can and is able to work with code and that flow of logic.


I totally agree with your point on having knowledge of one programming language helping to learn another.

I wonder what genre this so called 'Thirdscape' will be. Perhaps a modern style game, although I cannot see this I would enjoy it.

~Gold Drag
Shadow of Sofia
Well, at the mention of "ThirdScape", of course I go and google it on images, to see what info I get on that. ThirdScape seems like a very likely and good thing for them to do, because of all the hacks and stuff that are going around.
Ren
QUOTE (Lawl @ Dec 24 2008, 03:05 PM) *
Well, at the mention of "ThirdScape", of course I go and google it on images, to see what info I get on that. ThirdScape seems like a very likely and good thing for them to do, because of all the hacks and stuff that are going around.

You won't find any images of Jagex's ThirdScspe on Google.
Zralmor
Wow a third mmo from jagex all these games are learning experiences so i wonder how good their third will be
Cursed
I hope they stop with the camera looking down, I want to see like a Third Person like WoW or whatever.
Bobbington2
I assume by reading that they will be going for a pre-teen audience as they wish for "Experience of designing games for a young audience".

So at a guess they are going into competition with something like Club Penguin or Puzzle pirates, due to this I would expect there to be no talk system other than the quick chat features on most servers.... but assuming that this is part of the reason why JAgex are introducing parental controls to runescape that there will be settings allowing older players to talk on some servers.

I would guess the aim of Jagex would be for:

Thirdscape 7-13 year-old
Runescape 11-16+ year old
Mechscape 16-25+ year old

Giving them a good level of market coverage, and attempting to minimise caricaturisation.
Mac
QUOTE (Bobbington2 @ Jan 3 2009, 08:56 AM) *
I assume by reading that they will be going for a pre-teen audience as they wish for "Experience of designing games for a young audience".

So at a guess they are going into competition with something like Club Penguin or Puzzle pirates, due to this I would expect there to be no talk system other than the quick chat features on most servers.... but assuming that this is part of the reason why JAgex are introducing parental controls to runescape that there will be settings allowing older players to talk on some servers.

I would guess the aim of Jagex would be for:

Thirdscape 7-13 year-old
Runescape 11-16+ year old
Mechscape 16-25+ year old

Giving them a good level of market coverage, and attempting to minimise caricaturisation.


I think -

Thirdscape 7-12
Runescape 13+
Mechscape 16+


Nice find Ren banana.gif; I have a question, what type of game will Thirdscape be? Fantasy, Sci Fi, etc. Thanks in advance.

-Mac
Max
QUOTE (Mac @ Jan 3 2009, 11:24 AM) *
I have a question, what type of game will Thirdscape be? Fantasy, Sci Fi, etc. Thanks in advance.

-Mac

We don't know yet. Unless Ren is holding back on us. >_>
Ren
QUOTE (Mac @ Jan 3 2009, 05:24 PM) *
Nice find Ren banana.gif; I have a question, what type of game will Thirdscape be? Fantasy, Sci Fi, etc. Thanks in advance.

I've seen nothing which gives and indication as to the genre besides it being referred to as an MMORPG. I assume they won't make it sci-fi or medieval fantasy because that is already covered by MechScape and RuneScape.
Mac
Ah okay. Thanks anyways.
Bobbington2
I would guess pirate, Jagex seem to have a strong love for pirates!
Ren
QUOTE (Bobbington2 @ Jan 3 2009, 09:29 PM) *
I would guess pirate, Jagex seem to have a strong love for pirates!

That's exactly what I suggested in this thread. Jagex loves pirates, kids love pirates... and so does everyone else, right? ('Cept the ninjas of course)

Possible names: PirateScape; YarrScape; TreasureScape.
mike470
Pirates would be an interesting route to go by, the only problem is they would have competition with Disney for their Pirates of the Carribean game.
Ren
Oh, and don't forget Jagex's domains. VegaScape anyone?
Darth Irule
QUOTE (Ren @ Jan 3 2009, 04:54 PM) *
Oh, and don't forget Jagex's domains. VegaScape anyone?

vegas scape? Is it a mmorpg about casinos?
Bobbington2
QUOTE (Ren @ Jan 3 2009, 09:54 PM) *
Oh, and don't forget Jagex's domains. VegaScape anyone?



It's possible Vega may be a feature (area) in Mechscape of large importance. With wikipedia quoting Vega is"arguably the next most important star in the sky after the Sun"

The fact it has apparently had so much research into the star that Jagex may reference it. Maybe a sun, a planet, a focus for a star system....... who knows? but if it's major enough Vagascape would be a url they needed to secure.


I cannot find any other reference on the interwebs to Vega they Jagex would wish to base an MMO on, and cant imagine a made up game focus is it would not identify well with a user base (especially a younger one)


I would play my money on a solar system with Vaga as the sun..... possibly even the only sun we can identify depending on the games size.
Asfastasdark
ThirdScape, I think I've seen quite a few samurais and ancient Japanese style things in Thomas Woode's art portfolio on his website. Read the description of this:
http://www.tomwoode.com/concept_characters_6.html
A game proposal. Thing is, I don't see this going with such a young audience and I also stumbled upon this:
http://www.tomwoode.com/concept_characters_11.html
That seems more likely, looks like it might be the next MiniClip-sponsored game or whatever... the things like Club Penguin and other retarded games that I frown upon.
mech lovin
OK so..... If they are hiring now for thirdscape is it safe to say that they are just about done or atleast in the final stages with mechscape? because i seriously don't want to wait any longer... i wanna play mechscape
Ren
QUOTE (Asfastasdark @ Jan 4 2009, 03:22 AM) *
ThirdScape, I think I've seen quite a few samurais and ancient Japanese style things in Thomas Woode's art portfolio on his website.

Keep in mind that Tom no longer works for Jagex.
Andrew7
QUOTE (Rockdealer @ Jan 5 2009, 11:41 PM) *
OK so..... If they are hiring now for thirdscape is it safe to say that they are just about done or atleast in the final stages with mechscape? because i seriously don't want to wait any longer... i wanna play mechscape
I don't know what stage they are in but I do know that jagex plans to release MechScape this spring.
Arain321
QUOTE (Ren @ Jan 3 2009, 09:54 PM) *
Oh, and don't forget Jagex's domains. VegaScape anyone?


I've registered Vegascape01 (or was it vegascape1?) happy.gif
Either way it has a high chance of being banned down.gif
Asfastasdark
QUOTE (Ren @ Jan 6 2009, 05:02 AM) *
QUOTE (Asfastasdark @ Jan 4 2009, 03:22 AM) *
ThirdScape, I think I've seen quite a few samurais and ancient Japanese style things in Thomas Woode's art portfolio on his website.

Keep in mind that Tom no longer works for Jagex.


Yes but he was fired in 2007. They've been working on MechScape for nearly six years, and we don't know how long they've already been working on ThirdScape. These pictures may have been concept art he created for later.
Ren
QUOTE (Asfastasdark @ Jan 6 2009, 06:09 PM) *
Yes but he was fired in 2007. They've been working on MechScape for nearly six years, and we don't know how long they've already been working on ThirdScape. These pictures may have been concept art he created for later.

1. He wasn't fired, he left for Australia.
2. 6 years? While they regisstered the domain they didn't start initial work until 2005 and proper development until 2006.
3. Yes, it is possible - but there is less certainty on them than the others. I featured them in my old video, but wouldn't do so now.
4. ThirdScape is still in early days and they are only just starting to hire people for it.
5. Anyway, cool video - keep it up.
Darth Irule
any idea on what the thirdscape will be about?
mike470
QUOTE (darth irule @ Jan 6 2009, 11:42 PM) *
any idea on what the thirdscape will be about?


Not yet, it's only in the beginning of the development. And, knowing Jagex, they probably won't tell us much until later.
Ren
QUOTE (darth irule @ Jan 6 2009, 11:42 PM) *
any idea on what the thirdscape will be about?

Well, the job advertisement mentions experience in making games for a young audience and they are heavily considering microt-ransactions. Both me and Bobbington2 thought "PIRATES!" when we were trying to come up with what Jagex would do next now they have medieval and sci-fi, but this is not based on any sort of evidence beyond Jagex's obvious love of all thing AHARR!.
Stellar
Wow.....
Jagex is owning the Market right now.

By 2011, Jagex will most likely be the most well known and prosperous MMO company around. Blizzard can't keep up with Jagex because Jagex is moving so fast. If Mechscape is going to be mature, then that competes with WOW. Runescape is for everyone. And Thirdscape is for little kids. That means they will have almost every single age group rounded into 3 different games.

Now all we need is a Real Life sword we can move around as a cursor and a butt cushion to control the camera, and they can compete with Nintendo.
Max
Blizzard is working on:

WoW (ongoing)
StarCraft II (3 in the series from what I hear)
Diablo III
Possible World of StarCraft in the future (rumors)

It will be a software vs webware war...
Bobbington2
QUOTE (IamPliigi @ Jan 7 2009, 06:43 AM) *
Wow.....
Jagex is owning the Market right now.

By 2011, Jagex will most likely be the most well known and prosperous MMO company around. Blizzard can't keep up with Jagex because Jagex is moving so fast. If Mechscape is going to be mature, then that competes with WOW. Runescape is for everyone. And Thirdscape is for little kids. That means they will have almost every single age group rounded into 3 different games.

Now all we need is a Real Life sword we can move around as a cursor and a butt cushion to control the camera, and they can compete with Nintendo.



Honestly don't believe that Jagex can compete with Blizzard, whilst personally I am not a fan of the company or their games, they are by quite a long way bigger than any Jagex product, partly due to their higher graphic potential, and then their large scale advertising and shelf presence.


Jagex products are always more of the secretes of the internet, and they only advertise through word of mouth. Unless they change how they promote them selves they can never truly compete with Blizzard.

The only place Jagex can come off stronger is on company stability as the more products they have at the low costs they are currently shipping at the better Jagex can survive through economic down turn that may effect companies such as blizzard more.
Stellar
See, but the reason I believe Jagex will be ahead of Blizzard is because with Mechscape they can venture into much more enhanced graphics. It was Jagex's decision to keep Runescape's graphics marginal, but with Mechscape I believe Jagex can easily compete with Blizzard.

And if it isn't graphics people look for in an MMO, with Mechscape it seems as though Jagex is making it a much more mature title. I could only assume there will be more teamwork and a much more mature atmosphere.


And above all. Blizzard is only staying with one age group.

Jagex is opening up to all age groups, and with that, could be the number one spot in MMO producers.
Stan
This ThirdScape sounds intresting.
Can't wait for MechScape too !! =D

Only 2 months and then we'll know what MS will be!
Zomg, 2 months, thats not long!
We'll just have too wait and see.

~Stan
Darth Irule
QUOTE (Stan @ Jan 14 2009, 05:18 AM) *
This ThirdScape sounds intresting.
Can't wait for MechScape too !! =D

Only 2 months and then we'll know what MS will be!
Zomg, 2 months, thats not long!
We'll just have too wait and see.

~Stan

they might move it again. right not its supposed to come out in the spring not march which sucks because march is the month of my birthday.
mike470
QUOTE (IamPliigi @ Jan 7 2009, 06:43 AM) *
Wow.....
Jagex is owning the Market right now.


Not really. 7% of the MMORPG market is a good amount, but it's not 'owning' the market.

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By 2011, Jagex will most likely be the most well known and prosperous MMO company around. Blizzard can't keep up with Jagex because Jagex is moving so fast.


Heh, not at all. Blizzard is coming out with Diablo3 and just released a huge expansion for WoW. WoW has over 11 million players (I believe; something like that). Blizzard is way ahead of Jagex and every other company really.

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If Mechscape is going to be mature, then that competes with WOW.


WoW really isn't that mature/complex..more than RuneScape, of course, but many kids still play the game and it is fairly simple.

MechScape will never pass WoW (unless WoW begins to die, which it shows no signs of doing anytime soon).

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RuneScape is for everyone and Thirdscape is for little kids. That means they will have almost every single age group rounded into 3 different games.


RuneScape is for kids too.



These stats are old, and since then RS has gotten less players and WoW has gotten more. Blizzard clearly controls the market (NC Soft controls more of the market than Jagex too).

Blizzard is a great company (I prefer them over Jagex) and I am glad to see the success they are having.
Ren
QUOTE (darth irule @ Jan 14 2009, 08:16 PM) *
they might move it again. right not its supposed to come out in the spring not march which sucks because march is the month of my birthday.

Late March is in Spring, so it could be late March.
mike470
QUOTE (IamPliigi @ Jan 8 2009, 05:53 AM) *
See, but the reason I believe Jagex will be ahead of Blizzard is because with Mechscape they can venture into much more enhanced graphics. It was Jagex's decision to keep Runescape's graphics marginal, but with Mechscape I believe Jagex can easily compete with Blizzard.


The graphics still won't be as good as WoW's (not to mention WoW is around four years old).



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And above all. Blizzard is only staying with one age group.


Please, inform me of this "age group" that Blizzard is apparently aiming for. World of Warcraft is for ages thirteen and up (as it is rated T for Teen); not to mention the game is filled with a good amount of both adults and teens.
I don't believe the same can't really be said for RuneScape.

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Jagex is opening up to all age groups, and with that, could be the number one spot in MMO producers.


We still don't know much about Mechscape or ThirdScape; saying something, doing it, and sticking with it are three very different things.

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Jagex products are always more of the secretes of the internet, and they only advertise through word of mouth. Unless they change how they promote them selves they can never truly compete with Blizzard.



Well, I really wouldn't consider them as a secret as I'm sure a lot of gamers have heard about RS. Sure, not as many people who know about WoW, but a good amount. Even if they did begin to advertise, I still don't believe they could compete with Blizzard.

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The only place Jagex can come off stronger is on company stability as the more products they have at the low costs they are currently shipping at the better Jagex can survive through economic down turn that may effect companies such as blizzard more.


I suppose they could, but it's not happening now.
Man
QUOTE (Max @ Jan 7 2009, 09:44 AM) *
Blizzard is working on:

WoW (ongoing)
StarCraft II (3 in the series from what I hear)
Diablo III
Possible World of StarCraft in the future (rumors)

It will be a software vs webware war...

Competition like this is always good for the consumer. biggrin.gif
dudleyspud
QUOTE (Bobbington2 @ Jan 4 2009, 02:30 AM) *
QUOTE (Ren @ Jan 3 2009, 09:54 PM) *
Oh, and don't forget Jagex's domains. VegaScape anyone?



It's possible Vega may be a feature (area) in Mechscape of large importance. With wikipedia quoting Vega is"arguably the next most important star in the sky after the Sun"

The fact it has apparently had so much research into the star that Jagex may reference it. Maybe a sun, a planet, a focus for a star system....... who knows? but if it's major enough Vagascape would be a url they needed to secure.


I cannot find any other reference on the interwebs to Vega they Jagex would wish to base an MMO on, and cant imagine a made up game focus is it would not identify well with a user base (especially a younger one)


I would play my money on a solar system with Vaga as the sun..... possibly even the only sun we can identify depending on the games size.


Definition of vega:
An open tract of ground; a plain, esp. one which is moist and fertile, as those used for tobacco fields. [Sp. Amer. & Phil. Islands]- A game in the land of tobacco? lol

A brilliant star of the first magnitude, the brightest of those constituting the constellation Lyra.- A game about the land where a star is?

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