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Splash! NASA moon crash struck lots of water

By ALICIA CHANG (AP) – 2 hours ago

LOS ANGELES — The lunar dud for space enthusiasts has become a watershed event for NASA.

Spacecraft that crashed into the moon last month kicked up a relatively small plume. But scientists have confirmed the debris contained water — 25 gallons of it — making lunar exploration exciting again.

Experts have long suspected there was water on the moon. So the thrilling discovery announced Friday sent a ripple of hope for a future astronaut outpost in a place that has always seemed barren and inhospitable.

"We found water. And we didn't find just a little bit. We found a significant amount," Anthony Colaprete, lead scientist for the mission, told reporters as he held up a white water bucket for emphasis.

He said the 25 gallons of water the lunar crash kicked up was only what scientists could see from the plumes of the impact.

Some space policy experts say that makes the moon attractive for exploration again. Having an abundance of water would make it easier to set up a base camp for astronauts, supplying drinking water and a key ingredient for rocket fuel.

"Having definitive evidence that there is substantial water is a significant step forward in making the moon an interesting place to go," said George Washington University space policy scholar John Logsdon.

The October mission involved two strikes into a permanently shadowed crater near the south pole. First, an empty rocket hull slammed into the Cabeus crater. Then, a trailing spacecraft recorded the drama live before it also crashed into the same spot four minutes later.

Though scientists were overjoyed with the plethora of data beamed back to Earth, the mission was a public relations dud. Space enthusiasts who stayed up all night to watch the spectacle did not see the promised giant plume of debris.

NASA scientists had predicted the twin impacts would spew six miles of dust into the sunlight. Instead, images revealed only a mile-high plume, and it was not visible to many amateur astronomers peering through telescopes.

Members of the blue-ribbon panel reviewing NASA's future plans said the discovery doesn't change their conclusion that the program needs more money to get beyond near-Earth orbit. The panel wants NASA to look at other potential destinations like asteroids and Mars.

"This new and terrific result reassures us about lunar resources, but ... the challenges currently facing the human spaceflight program remain," Chris Chyba, a Princeton astrophysicist who is on the panel, said in an e-mail.

President George W. Bush had proposed a more than $100 billion plan to return astronauts to the moon, then go on to Mars; a test flight of an early version of a new rocket was a success last month. President Barack Obama appointed the special panel to look at the entire moon exploration program. The decision is now up to the White House, and NASA's lunar plans are somewhat on hold until then.

As for unmanned exploration, previous missions had detected the presence of hydrogen in lunar craters near the moon's poles, possible evidence of ice. In September, scientists reported finding tiny amounts of water in the lunar soil all over the moon's surface.

But it was NASA's Oct. 9 mission involving the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite, LCROSS, that provided the stunning confirmation announced Friday — water, in the forms of ice and vapor.

"Rather than a dead and unchanging world, it could in fact be a very dynamic and interesting one," said Greg Delory of the University of California, Berkeley, who was not involved in the mission, led by NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif.

The LCROSS spacecraft only hit one spot on the moon and it's unclear how much water there is across the entire moon.

Scientists spent a month analyzing data from the spacecraft's spectrometers, instruments that can detect strong signals of water molecules in the plume.

"We've had hints that there is water. This was almost like tasting it," said Peter Schultz, professor of geological sciences at Brown University and a co-investigator on the LCROSS mission.

Astronaut Buzz Aldrin, who in 1969 made his historic Apollo 11 moonwalk with Neil Armstrong, was pleased to hear the latest discovery, but still believes the U.S. should focus on colonizing Mars.

"People will overreact to this news and say, `Let's have a water rush to the moon,'" Aldrin said. "It doesn't justify that."

Mission scientists said it would take more time to tease out what else was kicked up in the moon dust.


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displayname
saw it on the news yesterday, interesting cool.gif
Celcoli
I heard this on the radio last night. thumbsup.gif to the moon and its water! always had faith in you, ya "cheese ball"
am64360 2
This just shows how much more money they are gonna waste. Living on the moon would be useless, unless they found an effective way to try mining there. The lunar soil isn't going to be good for that, and people would complain.

If they try another mission there JUST FOR WATER, then there won't be an effective way to transport it to Earth. down.gif

NASA needs to stop wasting our money. happy.gif
Aslancsc
Score!!!

Im so glad they found water. I hope the future missions are equally successful

Anyone who only cared about this mission for the explosions was a true imbecile. sorry, but it's true.
am64360 2
QUOTE (Aslancsc @ Nov 14 2009, 06:16 PM) *
Score!!!

Im so glad they found water. I hope the future missions are equally successful

Anyone who only cared about this mission for the explosions was a true imbecile. sorry, but it's true.


Future missions, like launching a missile to try and create a lake?
MC
It's certainly interesting. It adds a new aspect to the moon we didn't really know much about in our original moon activities. This is why space is such an interesting concept, there's always something new to learn or some fact we missed that changes the game entirely.
Aslancsc
QUOTE (am64360 2 @ Nov 14 2009, 11:31 AM) *
QUOTE (Aslancsc @ Nov 14 2009, 06:16 PM) *
Score!!!

Im so glad they found water. I hope the future missions are equally successful

Anyone who only cared about this mission for the explosions was a true imbecile. sorry, but it's true.


Future missions, like launching a missile to try and create a lake?


dude, do you think they were trying to "bomb" the moon? and if they did create a lake (which is impossible because the moon has no atmosphere and so the environment above the lake would always be like -200 degrees f and so therefore the lake would immediately refreeze and become ice again and waste a perfectly good rocket)

and am, I also don't understand your incessant hostility towards science/NASA. Just because it costs lots of money doesn't affect anything. Also, they are not going there "to transport it to Earth" as you so naively put it. The purpose for searching for ice/water on the moon is trifold. 1) To know where, when, with what supplies, and how much, all so that a future scientific mission and so that base of operations can be set up on the moon. 2) For the sake of knowing it, not knowing what our moon's surface is like is extremely similar to the 15th century navigators still thinking that the earth could be flat. 3) For the sake of science, so that all those Planetary Scientists can have more information with which to base their research and modeling off of, this most recent piece of information could very well be one of the final keys to the mystery of how our moon was formed (cuz in case you hadn't noticed our moon is veeeerry odd, ever wonder why it never shows its other side to us or why the moon is so large compared to earth?)

thanks

Aslancsc
am64360 2
QUOTE (Aslancsc @ Nov 14 2009, 07:24 PM) *
QUOTE (am64360 2 @ Nov 14 2009, 11:31 AM) *
QUOTE (Aslancsc @ Nov 14 2009, 06:16 PM) *
Score!!!

Im so glad they found water. I hope the future missions are equally successful

Anyone who only cared about this mission for the explosions was a true imbecile. sorry, but it's true.


Future missions, like launching a missile to try and create a lake?


dude, do you think they were trying to "bomb" the moon? and if they did create a lake (which is impossible because the moon has no atmosphere and so the environment above the lake would always be like -200 degrees f and so therefore the lake would immediately refreeze and become ice again and waste a perfectly good rocket)

and am, I also don't understand your incessant hostility towards science/NASA. Just because it costs lots of money doesn't affect anything. Also, they are not going there "to transport it to Earth" as you so naively put it. The purpose for searching for ice/water on the moon is trifold. 1) To know where, when, with what supplies, and how much, all so that a future scientific mission and so that base of operations can be set up on the moon. 2) For the sake of knowing it, not knowing what our moon's surface is like is extremely similar to the 15th century navigators still thinking that the earth could be flat. 3) For the sake of science, so that all those Planetary Scientists can have more information with which to base their research and modeling off of, this most recent piece of information could very well be one of the final keys to the mystery of how our moon was formed (cuz in case you hadn't noticed our moon is veeeerry odd, ever wonder why it never shows its other side to us or why the moon is so large compared to earth?)

thanks

Aslancsc


We didn't need to use a rocket. Just use a rock from earth? lol

We don't need to care what the surface of the moon is like until the missions happen. down.gif
Bladepaul
QUOTE (Aslancsc @ Nov 14 2009, 07:24 PM) *
QUOTE (am64360 2 @ Nov 14 2009, 11:31 AM) *
QUOTE (Aslancsc @ Nov 14 2009, 06:16 PM) *
Score!!!

Im so glad they found water. I hope the future missions are equally successful

Anyone who only cared about this mission for the explosions was a true imbecile. sorry, but it's true.


Future missions, like launching a missile to try and create a lake?


dude, do you think they were trying to "bomb" the moon? and if they did create a lake (which is impossible because the moon has no atmosphere and so the environment above the lake would always be like -200 degrees f and so therefore the lake would immediately refreeze and become ice again and waste a perfectly good rocket)

and am, I also don't understand your incessant hostility towards science/NASA. Just because it costs lots of money doesn't affect anything. Also, they are not going there "to transport it to Earth" as you so naively put it. The purpose for searching for ice/water on the moon is trifold. 1) To know where, when, with what supplies, and how much, all so that a future scientific mission and so that base of operations can be set up on the moon. 2) For the sake of knowing it, not knowing what our moon's surface is like is extremely similar to the 15th century navigators still thinking that the earth could be flat. 3) For the sake of science, so that all those Planetary Scientists can have more information with which to base their research and modeling off of, this most recent piece of information could very well be one of the final keys to the mystery of how our moon was formed (cuz in case you hadn't noticed our moon is veeeerry odd, ever wonder why it never shows its other side to us or why the moon is so large compared to earth?)

thanks

Aslancsc



I kind of lost faith in you when you said that 15th century navigator's thought the Earth was flat. Practically no one believed the Earth was flat even in the B.C.'s because mathematically speaking, it was already known that the Earth could not be flat.

In fact, Navigation at the time relied, among other things, on the horizon. And the horizon all on it's own proves that the Earth has a curvature=not flat. You don't need a fancy-ass satellite in space to give you a picture of the Earth just to tell that it's round.
Dirk
Ew, soggy cheese. sick.gif
Aslancsc
QUOTE (Bladepaul @ Nov 14 2009, 09:30 PM) *
QUOTE (Aslancsc @ Nov 14 2009, 07:24 PM) *
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I kind of lost faith in you when you said that 15th century navigator's thought the Earth was flat. Practically no one believed the Earth was flat even in the B.C.'s because mathematically speaking, it was already known that the Earth could not be flat.

In fact, Navigation at the time relied, among other things, on the horizon. And the horizon all on it's own proves that the Earth has a curvature=not flat. You don't need a fancy-ass satellite in space to give you a picture of the Earth just to tell that it's round.



omg, Im sorry, um...... the peasents that live in the dark ages then? does that make you happy? by the way, I was trying to give an analogy, something easy to understand, but instead you try to attack the factuality of one point of it. Sad

I think I may quit this argument... or go make a topic for it... yeah
MC
Mathematically speaking, mathematics weren't very advanced back then save for perhaps the smartest and richest of society who had time to learn and study them. The common man and even common explorer didn't know if the earth was round, square, or flat -- They just assumed flat, because that concept made the most sense.
Sofee
So there's water on the moon.

Wait, there's water on the moon.

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Anna
it says they found water in crators, could just be asteroids carrying ice that hit the moon.
Aslancsc
QUOTE (Anna @ Nov 16 2009, 09:46 PM) *
it says they found water in crators, could just be asteroids carrying ice that hit the moon.


wrong, the chance of hitting a place where a comet just happened to hit softly enough that all of the water had stayed in the same place and then the rocket hit that place too and sent all couple of gallons of water into space is 99.999999% non existent.

just saying.
am64360 2
QUOTE (Aslancsc @ Nov 17 2009, 06:17 AM) *
QUOTE (Anna @ Nov 16 2009, 09:46 PM) *
it says they found water in crators, could just be asteroids carrying ice that hit the moon.


wrong, the chance of hitting a place where a comet just happened to hit softly enough that all of the water had stayed in the same place and then the rocket hit that place too and sent all couple of gallons of water into space is 99.999999% non existent.

just saying.


Incorrect, that is the reason Earth was able to support life.
Aslancsc
QUOTE (am64360 2 @ Nov 16 2009, 11:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Aslancsc @ Nov 17 2009, 06:17 AM) *
QUOTE (Anna @ Nov 16 2009, 09:46 PM) *
it says they found water in crators, could just be asteroids carrying ice that hit the moon.


wrong, the chance of hitting a place where a comet just happened to hit softly enough that all of the water had stayed in the same place and then the rocket hit that place too and sent all couple of gallons of water into space is 99.999999% non existent.

just saying.


Incorrect, that is the reason Earth was able to support life.


wait, are you saying that earth is able to support life because comets supplied all of our water? I am sorry but that is incorrect. And that is what I was trying to say was not the case of the moon.
killrrhubarb
So what they're planning on doing is making longer trips to the moon in able to study it more scientifically? This might mean that scientists are able to answer some questions about the moon that we are lacking the answers for, which is awesome.
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