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Crash Jordan
I'll kill myself if it's banned.

http://kotaku.com/5392963/modern-warfare-2...ge-in-australia

Fucking stupid censorship. We need an R18+ rating or something. Left4dead 2 has been banned here too. Godamn it.

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Leaked footage of gameplay from Activision's Modern Warfare 2 has the Australian Council on Children and the Media calling for the game's MA15+ to be reconsidered, effectively banning it from sale.

The skippable scene of terrorist atrocities in Modern Warfare 2 first came to light via leaked footage on YouTube early yesterday. News travelled quickly, however, with an AP report dropping yesterday afternoon, distributing the news to just about every news organization on the planet. Word obviously reached Australia, prompting Australian Council on Children and the Media Jane Roberts to call on the Australian Classification Board to reconsider the MA15+ rating the game received, which is the highest rating given games in the country. Reconsideration would effectively ban the game from release. Roberts claims that even with the MA15+ rating, the game would still be readily available to children.

"The consequences of terrorism are just abhorrent in our community and yet here we are with a product that's meant to be passed off as a leisure time activity, actually promoting what most world leaders speak out publicly against."

Do not read on if you wish to avoid Modern Warfare 2 spoilers.

Here's the report regarding the offending scene filed by the Classification Board that accompanied the MA15+ rating decision.

"Several civilians are shot with blood burst bullet wounds; civilian corpses are strewn across the airport floor, often in stylised pools of blood; injured civilians crawl away with lengthy blood trails behind them."

The report goes on to mention that you cannot inflict post mortem damage on the civilians, and that all other missions of the game will result in failure if a civilian is shot.

Activision released a statement to Kotaku yesterday regarding the scene, explaining that it was "meant to evoke the atrocities of terrorism."

Back in Australia the debate rages on, with Nicholas Suzor, spokesman for the lobby group Electronic Frontiers Australia, using the situation to call for a R18+ rating for games released in the country, while rejecting the idea that a video game could foster terrorism.

"Films often show the villain's perspective and, by doing that, they get across the character's story and the heinous nature of people who carry out atrocities. Games, too, are becoming more expressive, and are telling more involved stories. We may make an argument that these sorts of topics are not suitable for children, but I don't at all accept that it is unsuitable for adults."

The Classification Board cannot review its own decisions, so anyone interested in getting the rating reviewed will have to apply directly to the board.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is slated for Australian release on November 10th.
Max
Ironic how Australia just might ban a game that is trying to grasp exactly how warfare is today. I'm so glad I don't live there, I would probably be having to import the games myself.
Alex
Gotta love the fact that Aussieland ignores any and all gamers over 18.
Charmedpop
Glad I live in America. Why don't more people protest this there? I'd be taking to the streets!



Yeti
I am never going to move to Australia....
Human
Now this is stupid people with you saying you wont move to australia because some games got banned.
But i feel sorry to those who expected this game on austrailia.
coolguy56789
wow. australias retarded when it comes to video games
Flatypus
Wow, that sucks. I really hope it doesn't get banned. I hate games getting age ratings as it is, but banning games is downright stupid and taking it too far.
Darth Irule
Wow.

They need to be less strict with their ratings.
Crash Jordan
Video of the level:

http://www.justin.tv/clip/83124ba3d928c5bc

I can see why now.
Sanct1fy
Ah bugga! I was really looking forward to this! That is the most idiotic reason to ban a game. How many other games involve scenes with terrorists fragging/being fragged? dry.gif
SpacePie
I feel sad for you...
I'm glad that doesn't happen in here, our government can't censor anything =)
Bladepaul
MMMhh, don't you guys love socialism? When some government bureaucrat get's to decide what you can and cannot do or have, and limits the free speech rights of others and promotes censorship under the guise of "political correctness"? What a bunch of socially conditioned sheep. So because a game has terrorists means we need to ban it. How about, regardless of what's in the game, you have no damned right to ban it because that is a violation of the right of all people to express themselves however they want without some Aussia dumbshits telling them what's appropriate "for the children luls."


This, by the way, is a prime example of people not taking responsibility for themselves. Stupid organizations with "soccer moms" trying to restrict and reshape society to mimic their own narrow outlook, so that god forbid their children ever see anything "objectional." The children must be "pure" and "innocent" virgins for the rest of their lives, after all. And because it is mommy with the money who decides to buy the game, she wants to get it banned because she knows she will end up buying it anyways.

A ship in dock will be safe and sparkling, but that's not what it's designed for it.

Sorry for the rant.
Flatypus
After watching that video Crash showed us, I get why. I'll never be able to get it anyway.
Bladepaul
Who the heck cares what is in the video. I don't care if kittens are being thrown out of airplanes with bombs strapped to them on top of a childrens nursery. I do not recognize the right of anyone to censor any part of what I say unless contractually agreed upon (as in, the use of a private business or service wherein I consent to certain restrictions and regulations in return for a product or service).

Basically, the Aussia government can go fuck itself. They have no business banning video games because society thinks their message is bad. Because when you allow society to decide what is right and what is not, and then enforce that decision on all, you lose your liberty and society turns into a self-perpetuating cult of sheep marching slowly towards the cliff.
Charmedpop
QUOTE (Crash Jordan @ Oct 31 2009, 01:51 AM) *
Video of the level:

http://www.justin.tv/clip/83124ba3d928c5bc

I can see why now.


Why? It's no worse than Grand Theft Auto. It shouldn't matter how bad it is anyway, that should be up to the consumer.


QUOTE
MMMhh, don't you guys love socialism? When some government bureaucrat get's to decide what you can and cannot do or have, and limits the free speech rights of others and promotes censorship under the guise of "political correctness"? What a bunch of socially conditioned sheep. So because a game has terrorists means we need to ban it. How about, regardless of what's in the game, you have no damned right to ban it because that is a violation of the right of all people to express themselves however they want without some Aussia dumbshits telling them what's appropriate "for the children luls."


That's just oppressive government. It's the extreme of any ideology. You could get the same restrictions from an overly religious political group too.

Lord John
Video link doesn't work.

Of course, because Australia bans a game you now think it's the worst country in the world. How funny...

I'm not fussed because I don't get kicks out of games with excessive gore although terrorism themes are prevalent in most games so I can't see the issue. Perhaps just letting kids take on the role of a terrorist is dangerous purely because their are weird people out there who take their games far too seriously and it may impact them psychologically and lead them to attempt murder, terrorism or any other act they've seen in their games. However every article that I've read about people like this occurs in America.
killrrhubarb
I think that Australia should just get an R18 rating, rather than trying to get every game with a little bit of blood in censored or banned completely. I'm happy that New Zealand has an R18 rating, and can't understand why Australia hasn't already got one.
loganmaddox
yea, australia fails at games. i dont even like Modern Warefare, i thought the first one was waay too short and boring. im pretty shure current wars dont involve hunderds upon hundreds of people shooting each other in the streets. isnt it mostly stealth stuff and bombing and the like?
oribital
Age is a stupid thing in this World, people should be judged by maturity. I mean, i'm not 18 but i've been playing GTA since i was 5 and i've been watching any movies i want. Banning a game because it has terrorist acts and a lot of death is LOLS, It's like banning the use of cars because they can lead to car crashesh, or banning airplanes because they could lead to even more serious events.

And what your all saying about never going to Australia ( i don't live there), I would never go to America because of the requirement of 21+ to be considered adult, that is so stupid, 18 is a long enough age as it is.

Logan, If all the countries that have nuclear weapons used them, you can say bye bye to the world but wars such as in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc etc, their mostly on foot and people shoot eachother AFAIK.

And about Children going mad cos of games, that is fail excuses - some boy gets pissed of at life for 1 reason or another, shoots 10 people in school and blames the games he played for people to pity him.
IronHead
QUOTE (Bladepaul @ Oct 31 2009, 01:11 PM) *
Wall of text.


You do realise that at least 80% of people who want video games banned are conservatives
Charmedpop
QUOTE (oribital @ Nov 1 2009, 03:48 AM) *
Age is a stupid thing in this World, people should be judged by maturity. I mean, i'm not 18 but i've been playing GTA since i was 5 and i've been watching any movies i want. Banning a game because it has terrorist acts and a lot of death is LOLS, It's like banning the use of cars because they can lead to car crashesh, or banning airplanes because they could lead to even more serious events.

And what your all saying about never going to Australia ( i don't live there), I would never go to America because of the requirement of 21+ to be considered adult, that is so stupid, 18 is a long enough age as it is.

Logan, If all the countries that have nuclear weapons used them, you can say bye bye to the world but wars such as in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc etc, their mostly on foot and people shoot eachother AFAIK.

And about Children going mad cos of games, that is fail excuses - some boy gets pissed of at life for 1 reason or another, shoots 10 people in school and blames the games he played for people to pity him.


I agree, maturity SHOULD count but it's really hard to determine. I've been watching horror movies since I was three or four. I don't think it's ever effected me negatively. Some people on the other hand, it would. Honestly, the way it's done in the United States is not too bad. Just have your parents buy it for you, if you're under age. Completely banning it is crazy.

Also, the legal age of an adult is 18. You just can't buy alcohol till you're 21. It's a stupid law and nobody really follows it anyway. It's similar to our gaming laws. You just get a parent or a friend to buy it for you. The reason you shouldn't move to the United States is because our healthcare system. tongue.gif
Pipinowns
Just pirate it.
Stellar
QUOTE (Pipinowns @ Nov 1 2009, 06:56 PM) *
Just pirate it.


Lul I herd aussies have horrible connections of the interwebs.
Kaur
Does anyone have backup link to the vid?
I couldn't find it anywhere :(
Dracul
Meh if a protest dont work then just get Australia to rejoin the UK and then australians will be able to play the game happy.gif
Pipinowns
QUOTE (oribital @ Nov 1 2009, 03:48 AM) *
Age is a stupid thing in this World, people should be judged by maturity. I mean, i'm not 18 but i've been playing GTA since i was 5 and i've been watching any movies i want. Banning a game because it has terrorist acts and a lot of death is LOLS, It's like banning the use of cars because they can lead to car crashesh, or banning airplanes because they could lead to even more serious events.

And what your all saying about never going to Australia ( i don't live there), I would never go to America because of the requirement of 21+ to be considered adult, that is so stupid, 18 is a long enough age as it is.

Logan, If all the countries that have nuclear weapons used them, you can say bye bye to the world but wars such as in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc etc, their mostly on foot and people shoot eachother AFAIK.

And about Children going mad cos of games, that is fail excuses - some boy gets pissed of at life for 1 reason or another, shoots 10 people in school and blames the games he played for people to pity him.


1. It's unfair and inconvenient to judge by maturity, and also somewhat impossible. That's why rating systems are based around age, because it's the best way to judge things. Also, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but many times its the mature and quite people who sit at home playing video games and watching Natural Born Killers that end up shooting up their school ermm.gif

2. It's not banning the use of cars because they lead to car crashes at all. It's more like banning the use of cars to people incapable of handeling the responsibility of driving, which is a law that is currently in affect in most countries, and I don't see any large crowds of people saying that we should give kids their license when they're five years old... rolleyes.gif

3. 18 is considered an adult in America...

4. I agree that their are many things that go into school shootings, most of these reasons have to do with what goes on in the school itself, however, the consistency of the many school shooters and their preference in movies, literature, and games (many of these preferences are revealed by family and friends after the shooter is dead, and not by the shooter themselves) is not something to be taken lightly. However, censorship is not the solution, or at least in my opinion. A better solution would be making a minor edit to that 2nd bit of the Bill of Rights that basically gives us all the right to blow each others head off whenever we feel necessary... whistling.gif
Mcharger
QUOTE (Pipinowns @ Nov 1 2009, 09:32 PM) *
4. I agree that their are many things that go into school shootings, most of these reasons have to do with what goes on in the school itself, however, the consistency of the many school shooters and their preference in movies, literature, and games (many of these preferences are revealed by family and friends after the shooter is dead, and not by the shooter themselves) is not something to be taken lightly. However, censorship is not the solution, or at least in my opinion. A better solution would be making a minor edit to that 2nd bit of the Bill of Rights that basically gives us all the right to blow each others head off whenever we feel necessary... whistling.gif

That 2nd bit of the Bill of Rights protects the other 9 bits of the Bill of Rights. The Founding Fathers knew that having an armed population is the only way to prevent complete government control over a group of people. Hitler, Stalin, and Kim Jong II had gun bans, and look at their countries and the "freedoms" they posess. Gun control and population control are the same thing. If I honestly had to choose between having things censored or having guns banned, I'd take the censor any day, because with a gun, I don't have to follow either rule if I don't want to. Take away guns, and we will have our property, our freedoms, and our unalienable rights taken away as well.
Yeti
QUOTE (Charmedpop @ Nov 1 2009, 11:48 AM) *
QUOTE (oribital @ Nov 1 2009, 03:48 AM) *
Age is a stupid thing in this World, people should be judged by maturity. I mean, i'm not 18 but i've been playing GTA since i was 5 and i've been watching any movies i want. Banning a game because it has terrorist acts and a lot of death is LOLS, It's like banning the use of cars because they can lead to car crashesh, or banning airplanes because they could lead to even more serious events.

And what your all saying about never going to Australia ( i don't live there), I would never go to America because of the requirement of 21+ to be considered adult, that is so stupid, 18 is a long enough age as it is.

Logan, If all the countries that have nuclear weapons used them, you can say bye bye to the world but wars such as in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc etc, their mostly on foot and people shoot eachother AFAIK.

And about Children going mad cos of games, that is fail excuses - some boy gets pissed of at life for 1 reason or another, shoots 10 people in school and blames the games he played for people to pity him.


I agree, maturity SHOULD count but it's really hard to determine. I've been watching horror movies since I was three or four. I don't think it's ever effected me negatively. Some people on the other hand, it would. Honestly, the way it's done in the United States is not too bad. Just have your parents buy it for you, if you're under age. Completely banning it is crazy.

Also, the legal age of an adult is 18. You just can't buy alcohol till you're 21. It's a stupid law and nobody really follows it anyway. It's similar to our gaming laws. You just get a parent or a friend to buy it for you. The reason you shouldn't move to the United States is because our healthcare system. tongue.gif


Thats right move to canada instead! We got mooses and beavers and yetis!
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