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Pliigi
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/deci...ens-of-millions

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Decision to cancel MechScape costs Jagex "tens of millions"


Jagex CEO Mark Gerhard has confirmed that RuneScape successor MechScape has been canned just prior to its release.

The decision, he told GamesIndustry.biz, was made in August when the assembled game failed to meet the standards of Jagex's new CEO and his team.

"Initially the reason for building MechScape was that we would learn all the lessons from RuneScape having run it for around four years at the time.

"It got near completion and we discovered, oops, it didn't do all of those things that we wanted it to. So we went back to the original design document and said 'let's do it again'."

Cancelling the project at such a late stage has made for an expensive learning curve, admitted Gerhard, although he agreed the company's continued financial success helped the situation.

"Yes, it's a luxury that we are doing well and we can afford to make the decision. I didn't make the decision lightly because it's effectively cost us tens of millions of pounds. Maybe more."

But it was vital, he said, for Jagex to release a game it was proud of and that its team would want to play. “ It's crucial to me we don't just ship a title because we've built it.”

"The previous game wasn't a game that we want to play. As much as we ended up thinking of it like a baby – we were 'reasonably' proud of it, we thought it was a good experience and we'd achieved something – it wasn't a game ready for launch.

"It was expensive. I hope never again to have to make the same decision twice. But it was the right decision."

Not everything has been lost however, and Gerhard says that much of the game – including its engine - will be reused in the new secret project the Jagex development team is now working on.

"A lot of the content will change," he said, "a lot of the gameplay will change. Exactly what the game will look and feel like I don't actually know because the guys are working on it as we speak. But we've got that arsenal of lessons and everything else."

This new title will be released within a "meaningful time frame" he added with a smile. At Game Horizon's Best of British event on Wednesday, Simon Seefeldt, the company's head of business development, was more specific, saying Jagex's next game will appear sometime in 2010.

Ending on a positive note, Gerhard said the new MMO's development team has been "galvanized" by the decision that's been taken.

"I've been in the organisation for two years now and I've never seen that team so excited since I joined," he said.

"They've spent years of toil on this and never quite got there, and now the entire team, sees what the plans are to change and what the new game will be. There's a real buzz in that studio, which is fantastic. The guys are doing an incredible job of bringing this to market."


http://www.develop-online.net/news/33153/J...-cans-Runescape

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Jagex cans MechScape

But firm still plans to launch new MMO next year


Runescape creator Jagex has made the decision to scrap its long-in-production second MMO MechScape, it has emerged.

The plug was pulled on the futuristic title in August – despite a formal announcement in March that the game was due for release later this year –
costing the firm tens of millions of pounds.

However the firm still plans to launch a new MMO in 2010.

"Initially the reason for building MechScape was that we would learn all the lessons from RuneScape having run it for around four years at the time,"
said Gerhard in an interview with GI.

"It got near completion and we discovered, oops, it didn't do all of those things that we wanted it to. So we went back to the original design document
and said 'let's do it again'."

"Yes, it's a luxury that we are doing well and we can afford to make the decision. I didn't make the decision lightly because it's effectively cost us tens of millions of pounds. Maybe more."


http://www.gamesbrief.com/2009/10/mechscap...ns-of-millions/

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MechScape cancellation costs Jagex tens of millions



It’s a brave CEO who cancels his company’s second largest project after four years of development and shortly before release.

But that’s exactly what Mark Gerhard of Jagex has done with MechScape. The new MMO from the makers of Runescape has been canned shortly before release.

When Mark was first appointed, I questioned the wisdom of moving an internal CTO up to be CEO of a company that was so dominated by the personality and thoughts of the original founder.

But this announcement suggests that I may have been wrong.

I have no particular inisght on MechScape – I’ve never seen the game and I don’t know if it was as disappointing as reports suggest.

But I do know that bringing out a successful sequel to Runescape is critical to Jagex. They need to prove that they are a scaleable business that can repeat their outstanding success otherwise they are destined to begin a slow slide into obscurity.

If MechScape was under par, it would have been an easy decision to launch it and see what the public thought. Instead, Jagex has canned it, despite tens of millions of investment, because it just isn’t good enough.

That’s a brave decision. And it shows that Mark has the courage of his convictions.

So good on them, and I wish them luck with “son-of-MechScape” or whatever it will be.
Electron
Ten million pounds! mellow.gif
That's over 9000!

However, it's great Jagex wants to make this decision to make this game even more awesome!! thumbsup.gif
zepherusbane
Very sad news indeed.
PoultryChamp
Not entirely shocking, but doesn't bode well for the company in general. I guess for a company that makes a 50%+ profit margin this 10-million-pound mistake isn't a shock to their system, and does offer a lot of meaningful experience to the company. Especially to the workers of MechScape, who get to experience a lot of their hard work flushed.

Let's just be glad Jagex isn't a publicly traded company yet. This might have been the straw the broke the camel's back.

Well, good luck to Jagex. I may have to think about the short-term forecast for MechScape/Stellar Dawn/World/Central and what it means to me, the MSW staff and members.
Stellar
What I get out of this: they got the news late.

What is seems like is that they are saying exactly what Mark was saying on these forums. They saw mechscape and decided to completely change it. From what is seems, the new MMO will be called Stellar Dawn, and the word 'Cancel' is a fancy way of saying completely changing.

Stellar Dawn will most likely come out in 2010, and will most likely be the new MMO they are talking about. Gasp.
Alex
£10 million seems a lot, but when we think of the money they would hope to make from MS over its lifetime it makes sense to postpone it. As long as we don't see a new Duke Nukem Forever, it probably made financial sense to Jagex to say "scratch this, we know what we want now so let's do it again".
Shufflestorm
QUOTE (Stellar @ Oct 29 2009, 04:29 PM) *
'Cancel' is a fancy way of saying completely changing.

That's exactly what I thought that it was meant to be interpretted as. We've got to remember we are a lot more privileged in knowing a lot more detail and specifics related to StellarDawn as members of MechScape World compared to a generic Gaming News Website.
Walshy
Aslong as it's still out in 2010.
T 800
Thanks for wasting our time on a wild goose chase, Jagex. Thanks for feeding us misinformation for god knows how long - you know; as one of if not THE main fansite for your upcoming MMO it's really humbling that you resolve tell us scarcely anything about what's going on behind the scenes yet, lo and behold, here you are confessing EVERYTHING to some rogue websites on a whim that haven't taken nearly as much interest in your company's wellbeing for the past 2 years as we have. I think we deserve a public apology for wasting our time with this shit AND for putting up with a company that is interested only in the time it takes to grab the fivers from our wallets and not the time to speak to us on a regular basis.

Thanks.
Walshy
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:55 PM) *
Thanks for wasting our time on a wild goose chase, Jagex. Thanks for feeding us misinformation for god knows how long - you know; as one of if not THE main fansite for your upcoming MMO it's really humbling that you resolve tell us scarcely anything about what's going on behind the scenes yet, lo and behold, here you are confessing EVERYTHING to some rogue websites on a whim that haven't taken nearly as much interest in your company's wellbeing for the past 2 years as we have. I think we deserve a public apology for wasting our time with this shit AND for putting up with a company that is interested only in the time it takes to grab the fivers from our wallets and not the time to speak to us on a regular basis.

Thanks.

MSW was the first to know about this. Mod MMG told us himself a few days ago on these forums before these websites were told anything.
It's still being released in 2010 also, it's not like it has been properly canceled.
Crash Jordan
Sad to hear, but I'd rather a great mmo to come out in a long time than a crap one tomorrow.

Take your time Jagex.
T 800
QUOTE (Walshy @ Oct 29 2009, 04:57 PM) *
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:55 PM) *
Thanks for wasting our time on a wild goose chase, Jagex. Thanks for feeding us misinformation for god knows how long - you know; as one of if not THE main fansite for your upcoming MMO it's really humbling that you resolve tell us scarcely anything about what's going on behind the scenes yet, lo and behold, here you are confessing EVERYTHING to some rogue websites on a whim that haven't taken nearly as much interest in your company's wellbeing for the past 2 years as we have. I think we deserve a public apology for wasting our time with this shit AND for putting up with a company that is interested only in the time it takes to grab the fivers from our wallets and not the time to speak to us on a regular basis.

Thanks.

MSW was the first to know about this. Mod MMG told us himself a few days ago on these forums before these websites were told anything.
It's still being released in 2010 also, it's not like it has been properly canceled.


The decision was made "back in August" - why weren't we informed sooner?
Alex
QUOTE (Shufflestorm @ Oct 29 2009, 04:42 PM) *
QUOTE (Stellar @ Oct 29 2009, 04:29 PM) *
'Cancel' is a fancy way of saying completely changing.

That's exactly what I thought that it was meant to be interpretted as. We've got to remember we are a lot more privileged in knowing a lot more detail and specifics related to StellarDawn as members of MechScape World compared to a generic Gaming News Website.


Indeed, weird to read it and I thought that MS was really gone at first, but this just means that its release date was cancelled and a redevelopment was put in place.

This is pretty much formalising that we won't be seeing that trailer as the game we're to play.
Stellar
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 06:00 PM) *
QUOTE (Walshy @ Oct 29 2009, 04:57 PM) *
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:55 PM) *
Thanks for wasting our time on a wild goose chase, Jagex. Thanks for feeding us misinformation for god knows how long - you know; as one of if not THE main fansite for your upcoming MMO it's really humbling that you resolve tell us scarcely anything about what's going on behind the scenes yet, lo and behold, here you are confessing EVERYTHING to some rogue websites on a whim that haven't taken nearly as much interest in your company's wellbeing for the past 2 years as we have. I think we deserve a public apology for wasting our time with this shit AND for putting up with a company that is interested only in the time it takes to grab the fivers from our wallets and not the time to speak to us on a regular basis.

Thanks.

MSW was the first to know about this. Mod MMG told us himself a few days ago on these forums before these websites were told anything.
It's still being released in 2010 also, it's not like it has been properly canceled.


The decision was made "back in August" - why weren't we informed sooner?



We were informed sooner. We were told about all of this in our Q and A with plexus and spaceone. We were told by them that they had gone through with a rebuild of Stellar Dawn, and that they had planned it all in august.

These articles are all old news when it comes down to it.
Walshy
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 05:00 PM) *
QUOTE (Walshy @ Oct 29 2009, 04:57 PM) *
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:55 PM) *
Thanks for wasting our time on a wild goose chase, Jagex. Thanks for feeding us misinformation for god knows how long - you know; as one of if not THE main fansite for your upcoming MMO it's really humbling that you resolve tell us scarcely anything about what's going on behind the scenes yet, lo and behold, here you are confessing EVERYTHING to some rogue websites on a whim that haven't taken nearly as much interest in your company's wellbeing for the past 2 years as we have. I think we deserve a public apology for wasting our time with this shit AND for putting up with a company that is interested only in the time it takes to grab the fivers from our wallets and not the time to speak to us on a regular basis.

Thanks.

MSW was the first to know about this. Mod MMG told us himself a few days ago on these forums before these websites were told anything.
It's still being released in 2010 also, it's not like it has been properly canceled.


The decision was made "back in August" - why weren't we informed sooner?

I shouldn't even bother giving you a proper reply, and rather, just tell you to stop acting like a spoilt dick.
but - the CEO exclusively told us first. I'd imagine it takes more than just a day to fully decide if they're willing to blow £10M+ on a 4 year project.
What more do you want.
Compaq
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 05:00 PM) *
The decision was made "back in August" - why weren't we informed sooner?


Because that decision is a private matter? Whoop de doo, you're a person on a fan site. That doesn't give you, I or any other member on this forum any "super dooper badge of awesomeness" that allows us to know of a private business matter in, you know, a business!

I use Microsoft products, that doesn't give me any right to know what their planning or what they have decided to cancel. Like everyone else, I have to rely on the press to inform me of these things.

Here you are sometimes granted the privilege (yes, a privilege) to see a more personal response from Jagex.
Hayaemsay
Well this explains why Henrique left.
Fiks1one
Ahh, cancelled sounds very dramatic, as long as they make it awesome i guess :)

2010 is still good, hopefully they really know what they want so much now they won't delay that! blink.gif
nicatronTg
Well, I guess this is the official announcement that "Mechscape" has been canned and replaced with "Stellar Dawn". I'm fairly sure that unless they recently decided that it's impossible to rebuild, they just got the news late, and our version is more accurate. It wouldn't make any sense to tell us, "Oh yeah, Andrew's really going at it" then, "Nah, we killed it."

Yeah, they did can it, the original version we most likely saw in the video. I think the whole cancellation thing was used instead of "major rework" so that people believing that it was just RS in space would be shot down. Think, they said they canceled Mechscape, not Stellar Dawn, the practically confirmed name.

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Well this explains why Henrique left.


Most likely he was leading it in a direction that MMG and Andrew didn't approve of.
T 800
QUOTE (Walshy @ Oct 29 2009, 05:06 PM) *
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 05:00 PM) *
QUOTE (Walshy @ Oct 29 2009, 04:57 PM) *
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:55 PM) *
Thanks for wasting our time on a wild goose chase, Jagex. Thanks for feeding us misinformation for god knows how long - you know; as one of if not THE main fansite for your upcoming MMO it's really humbling that you resolve tell us scarcely anything about what's going on behind the scenes yet, lo and behold, here you are confessing EVERYTHING to some rogue websites on a whim that haven't taken nearly as much interest in your company's wellbeing for the past 2 years as we have. I think we deserve a public apology for wasting our time with this shit AND for putting up with a company that is interested only in the time it takes to grab the fivers from our wallets and not the time to speak to us on a regular basis.

Thanks.

MSW was the first to know about this. Mod MMG told us himself a few days ago on these forums before these websites were told anything.
It's still being released in 2010 also, it's not like it has been properly canceled.


The decision was made "back in August" - why weren't we informed sooner?

I shouldn't even bother giving you a proper reply, and rather, just tell you to stop acting like a spoilt dick.
but - the CEO exclusively told us first. I'd imagine it takes more than just a day to fully decide if they're willing to blow £10M+ on a 4 year project.
What more do you want.


I repeat: the decision was made "back in August" - why weren't we informed sooner?
jmb
Tens of millions is quite a dramatic figure, and one i can't really place to be quite honest. They will get the same amount of subs if not more when the game finally comes out, they just put back receiving them by 18 months or so. The real cost is the expenditure on development of something that ended in the trash can, but even with running their pcs in the office and so on on top of wages:

100 people working on the game (optimistic) at £20k a year (optimistic) for 3 years? thats £6m

theres no doubt though that a publicly traded company would have taken a much more severe hit and Jagex are indeed enjoying a luxury by being able to do this, hence the spin on it being such a brave decision etc.

I do wonder what the venture capitalists on the board thought though!

EDIT: T 800, that isnt quite true, they only saw the game complete on Aug 10th and then spent a month trying to fix it before giving up and canning it. So its really only a few weeks. Then they had to set up the new development process and only once they were happy with the new setup did they decide to go public, after all they had to not only say it was cancelled, but what they were doing now to put it right and come out of it positively.
scifire
This is basically what he told us. He did tell us a press release was forthcoming. As for why we didn't hear about it from August, it may have taken them some time to decide what to do with the project. Would they totally scrap the project or remake it? Plus, there were employment issues that occurred. There is some time involved in hiring, etc. Thrity day notices, for example. I, for one, am glad they're remaking it into Stellar Dawn.

As far as the money lost, they just lose it totally if they hadn't tried to remake it. At least the can recoup some of it with the release of SD. I think just scrapping it would have been a far more controversial and risky move.

This whole scenerio really explains a lot of what's been going on. IF they can keep fans in the loop, a 2010 release will be acceptable to me!

IF they keep feeding fans tidbits of information, I believe the excitement will just grow from here on out. I'd think MSW will continue to grow also, but a name change is more important than ever, IMO.
Max
I'm not surprised as Mod MMG said that in his Q&A here on MechScape World earlier. I would rather have it where they start over and just do it right rather then trying to fix it for a longer time.
T 800
QUOTE (Compaq @ Oct 29 2009, 05:07 PM) *
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 05:00 PM) *
The decision was made "back in August" - why weren't we informed sooner?


Because that decision is a private matter? Whoop de doo, you're a person on a fan site. That doesn't give you, I or any other member on this forum any "super dooper badge of awesomeness" that allows us to know of a private business matter in, you know, a business!

I use Microsoft products, that doesn't give me any right to know what their planning or what they have decided to cancel. Like everyone else, I have to rely on the press to inform me of these things.

Here you are sometimes granted the privilege (yes, a privilege) to see a more personal response from Jagex.


The people on this forum are the people who are going to be playing this game & no doubt funding it (via membership) a year down the line - I think we reserve a certain right to a basic understanding of what's going on behind the scenes.
scifire
Not when it involves employment issues and millions of pounds.
Max
It is a private company. The only people that need to be informed are the people that have shares in it really so that is like what? A company, Andrew Gower, Paul Gower?
Stellar
@T 800

Mod MMG told us about this whole situation 6 days ago. We had the 'big story' nearly a week before anyone else on the internet even knew about it.

You have to really think about it though. If Jagex would have told us back in August that they had decided to start over on Mechscape but then a month later realized it did not work out, they would then again have to come back to us. This is a really big project, and it needed time to settle down. Time has to be given to see just how things are going to work out. You can't just spill the beans on everything at the start. Heck it took around 3 years for Jagex to even confirm Mechscape. Give them slack.
Neven
Perhalps Henrique made the game closely resemble RS and Mod MMG and others weren't pleased with that outline. So they decided to scrap that version of the game, and Henrique.
displayname
they say they will make a new game, will it still be stellar dawn?
strrox4
They never canceled it just redoing it. Cancel is such a big word. Mechscape was always stellar dawn it is stellardawn. Those interviews twist words a lot. The mmo is mechscape just with its new name god. Its not a new mmo its the same mmo just redone.
strrox4
Atleast we can expect more news.

"Hi Strrox,
Yes you can expect more regular info on Stellar Dawn from us in the future, I'm not 100% sure it is going to be released in 2010 although I certainly do hope so, I am however 100% sure that it won’t be this year as initially thought.
I suppose it is important to also add that when I was initially saying "soon", I really did believe that from everything we were being told and naturally gave that feedback in good faith. That is no longer the case and whilst I can understand news of a delay is frustrating to you all as much as it is to myself, I can assure you all that everyone involved in this project is doing their best to ensure we get a great game in the best possible time frame."
Quote by Mod MMG
Wege
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I would just like to clarify that MechScape as a project hasn't been canceled but rather the name and has been renamed Stellar Dawn. Stellar Dawn is still going ahead and if you read in the article, is the new project (or game) that we're working towards.

Just to clarify, MechScape hasn't been canceled but has been reborn under Stellar Dawn which we are now working on.

Although, other than what I've said, I don't have any more information that I can give.


Stellardawnworld, here we come =P
LordTobytwo

I find it fine that they made the right decision. If a job's worth doing it's worth doing properly but what I also believe is things not going to waste. Jagex has made a game and even if it's not perfect then I am fine aslong as I can play it untill they release the full version.

Why delete the content? There is no point. Take it and use it to give us a mock up version to play so you get some feedback for re-making it. It's better before you have done everything to work out what you are doing to get back to the same stage and then find people dislike it and you have to rebuild a large part of it.
jeremy4444
I see this as a total waste of time, honestly. We speculate speculate and speculate, they give us no information, gone. To me "canned" or "canceled" and "scrapped" means that the whole game is gone Mechscape/Stellar Dawn or w/e is GONE. There wont be a release date for it at a later time, they are making a brand new game. The new game will probably take 3-4 years to make so as always, GF Jagex, thanks for wasting my time and many others.
mattjack809
It seems like most members agree that as long as they're not throwing almost 4 years of work out the window, letting down the entire MechScape World community (not to mention most RS players), and CANCELING MECHSCAPE FOR GOOD *gasp*, it will turn out to be a much better game that we ever expected. I remember sitting in front of my computer back in March thinking "C'mon Jagex... Anyday now..." and now its October and they imply that it's bumped back to '10. Oh well. What's life without a little suspense? biggrin.gif
TechnoBulldog
Well, this doesn't sound very good. MMG did say that they were remaking MechScape into something better, but I didn't expect anything this huge. If we shouldn't expect the game out for a while, maybe I'll get a subscription for another MMORPG until then. I don't know. At least it will be in 2010 and not in another 5 years.
Kanyir
The soonest I'd expect it is somewhere late 2010/early 2011.

I think it's quite funny 'the press' is blowing up everything to the extreme. Last time I checked, MMG never said he cancelled Mechscape/Stellar Dawn...

EchoNova
I don't know what to think. After all this, to "cancel" the game? The article said a lot of content would change, so does that mean it could not even be scifi anymore? Or will the races be different?
I'm just torn. On one side, I'm extremly upset that it's starting over, but on the other I'm glad it will be different than the trailer.

Maybe they can release what they had as "Mechscape" Classic? I mean it would be a shame to just completely scrap it.
Drachen
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 10:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Walshy @ Oct 29 2009, 04:57 PM) *
QUOTE (T 800 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:55 PM) *
Thanks for wasting our time on a wild goose chase, Jagex. Thanks for feeding us misinformation for god knows how long - you know; as one of if not THE main fansite for your upcoming MMO it's really humbling that you resolve tell us scarcely anything about what's going on behind the scenes yet, lo and behold, here you are confessing EVERYTHING to some rogue websites on a whim that haven't taken nearly as much interest in your company's wellbeing for the past 2 years as we have. I think we deserve a public apology for wasting our time with this shit AND for putting up with a company that is interested only in the time it takes to grab the fivers from our wallets and not the time to speak to us on a regular basis.

Thanks.

MSW was the first to know about this. Mod MMG told us himself a few days ago on these forums before these websites were told anything.
It's still being released in 2010 also, it's not like it has been properly canceled.


The decision was made "back in August" - why weren't we informed sooner?

Because everyone would QQ and scream.

If anything, them canceling it is BECAUSE they don't just want to "grab the fives" from our pockets. I'm glad they didn't release a piece of shit and expect us to play it.
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Maybe they can release what they had as "Mechscape" Classic? I mean it would be a shame to just completely scrap it.


You're kidding me. RuneScape Classic only exists because Jagex made a mistake in not closing it when RS2 was released.
Dracul
Ok look, other then the admins and staff here at MSW, i too should be extremely angry and furious at Jagex for this as i've invested alot of my time in my clan called Terran Federation.....But.....I am not angry nor furious, after seeing that piece of crap trailer for Mechscape, I am beyond happy that they've scrapped Mechscape entirely, and are working on stellar dawn or whatever mmo it will be for 2010 or so.

So really, don't be angry. Be Happy.
Faybro
I have naught but this to say.

*ahem*

WHAT

THE

FUCK.
Dean
I think we'll be very, very lucky if we get to see "Stellar Dawn" in 2010. It saddens me to say it but that is what I believe.
I
It may be against my character to be so optimistic, but I see this as pretty good news. The leaked video showed a game disappointingly similar to RuneScape. If they've scrapped it, that's fine with me, I'm just glad we're not being kept in the dark about it.

QUOTE (jeremy4444 @ Oct 29 2009, 04:10 PM) *
The new game will probably take 3-4 years to make so as always, GF Jagex, thanks for wasting my time and many others.

Perhaps, but I'd rather have a good game later, instead of a bad game now.

Flatypus
I'm glad. That video looked so shitty.
I hope it'll be out this year though. But if they get it wrong again, they are in deep trouble as a gaming company. That was an expensive mistake.
Dizzy
Oh well. Shit happens. tongue.gif
SnakeX
So this forum is just a waste? Ren's research is just obliviated? This is how its going to be? Is this real?! WTF we should at least be able to have the beta version. mad.gif
Dean
QUOTE (SnakeX @ Oct 29 2009, 11:24 PM) *
So this forum is just a waste? Ren's research is just obliviated? This is how its going to be? Is this real?! WTF we should at least be able to have the beta version. mad.gif


Would you honestly want to play a game that in essence, and I know the term is being thrown around a lot, but it is justified because it is seemingly just RuneScape in space? Watching the video and now hearing the news that it's all been scrapped worries me a great deal. It's made me think, like, what the hell are they going to do differently this time? There are obvious technological limitations to the project they're working on. This game isn't going to look stunningly beautiful, that's just not possible. So if they can't make it look super pretty, then they need to find a different way to stand out from the crowd. They need to add something into this that we haven't seen before in an ever growing MMO market. The only thing that is giving me even the slightest bit of hope in all of this is that we now know that Andrew himself is going to be very involved in the project.
Max
Did no one read this comment which was said by Mod MMG before all of this?

QUOTE (Plexus @ Oct 23 2009, 12:24 PM) *
QUOTE (Ren @ Oct 23 2009, 05:48 PM) *
Welcome back to England.

1. What's happening with MechScape / Stellar Dawn?
2. Can you shed any light on why Jagex recently trademarked "Devious Games" and "Cunning & Devious Games"?
3. Want some space pie?


Hey Ren,
Good question, So what up with Mechscape?
I suppose I’m going to upset a few people because I can’t say too much about the game in development and I don’t want to steal the teams thunder with regards to their upcoming press release but I can talk a little about where we are today and how we got here.
Some 5 Years ago, Andrew and a few members of the then RuneScape team asked the question “if we could make RuneScape all over again, what would we do differently?” and a flurry of debate ensured �" surprisingly whilst RuneScape was a runaway success there were a number of things they would do differently if they could do it all over again, also a ton of ideas came in on completely new types of game ideas that simply wouldn’t fit in the RuneScape universe.
So almost immediately they began working on a game design document for a new MMO called Mechscape. A team was formed and they began work on the game, the team rapidly grew into a dedicated Game Studio approaching the size of RuneScape.
Since then a lot of things have happened, our chiefly “secret” project started becoming uncovered layer by layer by a Communist called Ren  and other capitalists on MSW. As a result various people in the company made a few comments about the game over the last few years, with the community piecing together more and more of the game over time. On the 10th August this year all the various parts of the game we finally put together and Andrew, the Mechscape Team and I got to actually play the full game.
Sadly the game was not as complete as we wanted and we spent the first few months trying to “fix” the game where we could. About a month or so ago we took the decision to stop trying to “fix it” as we still wouldn’t have the game we wanted and the game certainly did not meet all the objectives and specifications established in the original game design document and therefore it would be better to go back to the founding principles and build the game we always wanted �"Andrew is now overseeing the project and working very closely with the team to build Stellar Dawn, not all was lost as we naturally have developed the game engine substantially over the last few years and the new designs benefits massively from this as well as a ton of experience within the team as to what works and what doesn’t. So whilst the content and a lot of the game play will change from what was previously built almost everything else will go straight back into Stellar Dawn.
It goes without saying that we are all 100% behind the development teams and are confident that we will be able to publish a fantastic sci-fi MMO for your all, I also would like to add that I have never seen Andrew and the team so excited about this project since I joined the Studio.

- 2. Can you shed any light on why Jagex recently trademarked "Devious Games" and "Cunning & Devious Games"? - These are just some ideas we are playing with at the moment, nothing substantive planned yet.
- 3. Want some space pie?- I'm worried about what you may have put in the space pie Ren cool.gif



scifire
I think MMG's posts should be required reading for anyone posting from now on!! How about we just start quoting him in every other post until everyone gets the message? ;)
Aslancsc
*bangs key board and produces the following stream of letters* djjjkjkjkdcjk,xolfgvkljm jkcxcjmk

OMG! oh well.... at least it won't take another four years! I can't believe that anyone in charge of any company would make such a horrible money decision. But if it makes SD any better than MS would have been I guess I am happy... especially since they thought the change was worth a freaking 10m+ pounds.
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